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Palin’s Denial Illustrates Classic Defense

by ThePete 2:35 pm 2008-10-11

utterli-imageI took this screencap on my iPhone earlier today from CNN.com’s mobile page. The non-mobile version is here: http://www.cnn.com/…index.html

In the article, CNN quotes Palin as saying:

If you read the report, you will see that there was nothing unlawful or unethical about replacing a cabinet member,

The very next paragraph in the CNN article explains:

Palin violated state ethics law by trying to get her former brother-in-law fired from the state police, a state investigator’s report for the bipartisan Legislative Council concluded Friday.

See the problem? Palin is denying something she’s not accused of. She says there was nothing wrong with firing a cabinet member. CNN says the Alaska state investigator’s report found that she tried to get her brother-in-law fired–he’s a state trooper, NOT a cabinet member.

Do I personally care about whether she pressured some people to get her BIL fired? It sounds like she’s violated a law, so I care. However, the bigger issue, to me, is how she is dealing with the findings of this report.

She’s using a straw man argument to distract from the reality that she may have broken the law.

A "straw man argument" is when you create an argument that is easy for you to win, rather than address the real argument that has been presented.

You accuse person A of committing a crime X and they immediately respond by saying "I didn’t commit crime Y! Only a horrible person would commit crime Y–I think you’re horribly mistaken!"

Person A then hops in her tour bus and zooms off.

Person A created a little man out of straw that they could easily blow down with a lung-full of air. The catch here is that she’s not addressing the much bigger man made of brick and mortar.

This is an incredibly common technique used by LOTS of Republicans–and politicians in general, really. Watch for it the next time a politician you like (or dislike) gets accused of something.

In the end, Palin’s reaction to the report’s findings is completely predictable. It also makes her a perfect fit for Republicans–and politics in general, too.

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Fact Checking the Vice Presidential Debate #debate08

by ThePete 6:02 pm 2008-10-03

Tired of reading about the economy? Me, too! It’s the weekend so I’m going to spend it posting about fun stuff. In fact, I’m going to be posting about a wider array of things starting next week.

My blog, my passions, I say.

It’s just that things have been so crazy with politics and the economy that it’s been impossible to blog about much else. However, the weekend hasn’t fully started yet, so here’s a bit more politics (sorry).

FactCheck.org came out with their report on the VP debate last night. Read it in full (including an in-depth analysis) here: is.gd/3sYr

In a nutshell, candidates fudged the facts–almost an equal number of times, too. I just wish the folks at FactCheck would point out where no facts were presented at all in answers given. Palin, along with most politicians (but her in particular), has the uncanny ability to make completely empty statements sound substantive. It’s scary as hell, frankly. Her “Word Storms” really do shock and awe. If you’re too polite, you won’t call her on it and she’ll get away with effectively lying (assuming you notice she said nothing at all).

If you missed FactCheck.org’s analysis on the first Presidential debate, you can check it out here: is.gd/3sYr

You might also check out the politics blog at NPR.org for pretty high quality fact-checking, too. Just go here: www.npr.org/blogs/politics/

ALMOST FORGOT: For the last two debates, check out C-SPAN and debatehub.c-span.org for the most unbiased coverage of politics. DO IT NOW! (And tell ‘em ThePete sent ya! You know, if anyone’s there and asks you, or… whatever…)

All right, what a week!

Next week we have the next Prez debate on Tuesday. I’m sure some other crap will happen to keep us busy, too–more banks caving, the dollar dropping, oil climbing.

Who knows? Maybe oil will drop and the dollar will climb?

Nah, I don’t really think so, either.

VP Debate 2008 Post-Mortem #vpdebate

by ThePete 2:19 am 2008-10-03

OK, so there went the first and only vice presidential debate.

I’ve taken some time to try to mull things over and attempt to absorb things for a couple hours before really deciding on what to blog.

I definitely feel like Biden won the debate but only on points. Just like Obama did at the first presidential debate. Joe didn’t trounce her and Palin sure as hell didn’t pummel him.

Biden was as confident and casual as I’d expect a white man in a suit of his age and experience to be. As I mentioned earlier today, I was concerned he would put his foot in his mouth. Luckily, he did fine–better than expected even.

Likewise, Palin did better than expected, too. The frustrating thing is that she didn’t do that well–on numerous occasions she failed entirely to answer the moderator’s questions and often times twisted her “answer” around so that she could talk about something completely unrelated. I think a “storm of words” was how reporter Charlie Gibson described the tactic Palin used tonight during his interview with her. Also, and I’m admitting a personal bias here, she had this smile that came across as infinitely condescending.

And she smiled a lot–all debate long.

Why do I not like that she didn’t do well? Simple, because she still did way better than she’s done in the two lousy interviews she’s given in the last month. She basically tanked both of them so everyone was expecting her to bomb this one like Dresden, but she didn’t. So, now everyone will be claiming she’s the come-back kid on the news. Even the Dems will acquiesce and admit she did better than expected.

Ultimately, I doubt anyone will accurately gauge how poorly she did because she performed so much better than anyone thought. It’s another disturbing example of “sucking less” equating to being a good thing. Our culture is so very backward these days.

So, yeah, I think Biden did better and probably “won” on a technical level, but I’m an anti-McCain guy, so naturally, I’m going to probably be biased against Palin regardless of how un-mind-numbingly stupid she was.

One person I’m also biased against was the moderator. PBS’ Gwen Ifill actually had some respect from me before tonight and, to be sure, she still does. However, she lost some tonight. I found her questions to be a bit soft and really not that important.

She didn’t hold either candidate to the questions in almost all instances where either dodged said questions (yes, Biden did this a couple of times, though not as often as Palin). Sure, she was, in some ways, and improvement over her fellow PBS-er Jim Lehrer who, himself, was like a grampa trying to get his grand kids to play nice. However, Ifill felt like a baby sitter in the next room. I felt like her questions were almost as vague and non-specific as Palin’s answers were.

OK, that’s an exaggeration, but you get my point. I think there was one question where she actually called them both on an issue they had previously flipped flopped on. That was nice.

In conclusion? It’s not quite as big a “meh” as the first presidential debate, but it’s nothing to cheer for either. The debate format was incredibly breezy–it flew by so quickly, though I’m concerned that maybe it shouldn’t have–we want to better know these candidates, right? Shuffling them from topic-to-topic might not be the best way to allow us to do that.

It was kind of a relief to see them both not totally screw the pooch. I hate to feel like any candidate is completely incompetent. I’d like to be proud of all of our leaders.

Of course, these days, that bar is set pretty low, as well.

What are ya gonna do? Move to another country?

Don’t tempt me…

Oh, I’ll do it!

Special thanks to the folks at C-SPAN for doing a bang-up job!! Check out C-SPAN’s bitchingly unbiased coverage of the debates at debatehub.c-span.org or on Twitter at twitter.com/cspan

For other unbiased sources of debate coverage, check out factcheck.org/ and the political blogs over at NPR.org here: npr.org/blogs/politics/

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Thanks for reading!!

Vice Presidential Debate Pre-game Commentary from ThePete #debate08

by ThePete 6:43 pm 2008-10-02

OK, so in just under three hours, the VP debates will begin. I’ll be liveTweeting the event and you can follow along on Twitter: twitter.com/thepete

…Or on my blog by keeping an eye on that TheLifestream.

But regarding tonight’s debate, I have mixed feelings.

On the one hand, it’s going to be a wonderful train wreck to watch. Joe Biden, king of foot-in-mouth syndrome will have to fight nice with Sarah Palin, the queen of sentence-mashups. It’s going to be a wonderful blood-bath whether Palin comes off like a moron (yay!) or Biden looks like a crotchety old man beating up on a little girl (boo!).

So, from a strictly observational standpoint, I’m excited.

However, there’s also a part of me that feels like the process is being damaged thanks to each campaign understanding their VP candi’s weaknesses. I heard this morning that each one will have just 90 seconds to answer questions and 2 minutes to rebut. This will give them fewer chances to screw up just because it won’t let them talk very long. The thing is, We The People should want them to talk longer than 3.5 minutes for each question! We need to get to know these people better. If they’re going to screw up, we want to know about it. If they’re going to be cut off before they can, we’ll never know they’re morons until after they’ve been elected.

An informed electorate is a strong electorate, right?

I guess both parties want us to be weak.

Then there’s the part of me that is worried that the worst will happen. Huge damage can be done to the process by both of these candidates performing poorly. Sure, we’ll be watching and laughing at the stupidity we’re witnessing, but really, that’s not why we should be enjoying ourselves or even tuning in.

Imagine, if Obama had picked Hillary. Oh, that would have made me feel much better about tonight.

If things go as badly as they could, Palin would lose a lot of people, but Biden could lose more. We know Biden is a smart guy and by his advanced age, it’s easy to assume he should know better than to gang up on this little girl from Alaska (let’s be honest, that’s exactly what she is).

Remember, I’m an independent. I’d prefer neither McCain nor Obama win. But there’s no practical expectation I can have to see a third party candidate even appear in the debates, let alone end up winning the White House, so for people like me, this all becomes a question of who to vote against.

Yay, democracy.

By the way, the reason we’ll never see a third party candidate in the debates is because the debates are controlled by the two major parties.

Yay, democ–oh, I said that already…

ThePete VS. PALIN VS. GIBSON: FIGHT! (Round 7) FINAL!

by ThePete 9:00 am 2008-09-22

We now join ABC News’ Charlie Gibson’s interview with Sarah Palin, accompanied by round 7 of my commentary (check out round 1, round 2, round 3, round 4, round 5 and round 6!), already in progress:

Sarah Palin on Economic Policy:

WOW! FINALLY TO THE ECONOMY! WAY TO GO CHARLIE GIBSON!

PUH-LEASE! What journalism school did you go to, Charlie?

Cracker Jack University?

Is your degree very small and does it transfer to your skin when you apply water to the back of it? :P

The economy is only the most important issue we face right now!

GIBSON: Governor, John McCain and you are now talking about the GOP as a party of change. We’ve got a very sick economy. Tell me the three principal things you would do to change the Bush economic policies.

PALIN: And you’re right, our economy is weak right now and we’ve got to strengthen it, and government can play an appropriate role in helping to strengthen the economy.

Wow, these two are the brightest bulbs on TV!

The economy IS weak right now! And the government CAN play a role in helping to strengthen it! WOW!!

I may vote Palin, after all!

***

PALIN: Our 6.1 percent unemployment rate is unacceptable, also, across our nation.

Can’t they just pull themselves up by their bootstraps? I don’t get it!

We need to put government back on the side of the people and make sure that it is not government solely looked at for all the solutions, for one.

Where else do solutions come from? Should we expect the Coca-Cola Company to rebuild our homes after a hurricane destroys them?

Or are we supposed to be SO self-reliant that we work extra hours at our jobs to pay for enough insurance to pay for our homes if/when they get destroyed in a natural disaster or fire or something?

Government has got to get out of the way, in some respects, of the private sector, being able to create the jobs that we need, jobs that are going to allow for the families to be able to afford health care, to be able to afford their mortgages, to be able to afford college tuition for their kids.

Yeah, because it’s government getting in the way that allowed Enron to fail. And Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and Bear Sterns and so on and so on and so on all failed because of…

Come on you idiot! It’s a LACK of regulation that allowed banks to make bad loans and companies to make bad choices.

Once again, I think John Edwards was right–there are two Americas. Bizarro America and… and… well, that’s the only America I see–where Republicans say less regulation is needed to stop companies from breaking the law and screwing people out of billions.

That’s got to be the principal here, reform government, recognize that it’s not government to be looked at to solve all the problems.

Again, Bizarro-logic.

Taxes, of course, I think is one of the most important things that government can obviously control and to help with this issue.

Taxes? What do taxes have to do with the fact the dollar is worth crap and that another bank just went belly-up?

GIBSON: What you said to me at the beginning I don’t think anybody in the Bush administration would disagree with. What do you change in the Bush economic plans?

PALIN: We have got to make sure that we reform the oversight, also, of the agencies, including the quasi-government agencies, like Freddie and Fannie, those things that have created an atmosphere here in America where people are fearful of losing their homes.

Yeah, it’s much better to not let them have homes in the first place.

How about we work out why the dollar is worth a pittance and then fix that problem so we can all afford to buy houses and not even have to take loans out to buy ‘em?

People are looking at job loss. People are looking at unaffordable health care for their families. We have got to reform the oversight of these agencies that have such control over Americans’ pocketbooks.

Job loss has an agency?

Health care has an agency?

If so, what the hell do these agencies have to do with our pocketbooks?

How does a government agency control whether corporations create jobs or not? How does a government agency determine whether health insurance companies cover certain procedures and medicines or not?

YOU’RE TALKING NONSENSE AGAIN.

GIBSON: So let me summarize the three things that you’d change in the Bush economic plans. One, two, three.

PALIN: Reduce taxes, control spending, reform the oversight and the overseeing agencies and committees to make sure that America’s dollars and investments are protected.

Wow, sounds like the number one target for said reforms would be unnecessary military incursions and occupations in and of foreign countries. Hell, we spend more on “defense” than anything else. Curb your spending? Start with the military.

I’m all for defending our borders, but that’s not what we’re doing in the middle east.

As for the other two, seems like the agencies and committees are only an imagined problem (since there IS no oversight of ANYthing it would seem) and cutting back on defense spending just might invigorate the economy in that we’re not borrowing BILLIONS every month anymore to keep the wars going.

GIBSON: So let me break some of those down. You talk about spending. How much smaller would a McCain budget be? Where would you cut?

PALIN: We’re going to find efficiencies in every department.

Doesn’t she mean “inefficiencies”?

We have got to. There are some things that I think should be off the table. Veterans’ programs, off the table.

Yeah, we already spend too little on veterans, we shouldn’t cut their funding any more.

You know, we owe it to our veterans and that’s the greatest manifestation that we can show in terms of support for our military, those who are in public service fighting for America. …It’s to make sure that our veterans are taken care of and the promises that we’ve made to them are fulfilled.

So, no cutting VA bennies. How sweet.

GIBSON: So you’d take military off the table, the veterans’ benefits. That’s 20 percent of the budget. & Do you talk about entitlement reform? Is there money you can save in Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid?

Wait! Charlie, why did you take “military” off the table?? WTF! Dude, that’s what we spend too much on!!

PALIN: I am sure that there are efficiencies that are going to be found in all of these agencies. I’m confident in that.

I don’t know what she means–he keeps asking about what to cut and she’s talking about “efficiencies”. You cut “inefficiencies” not “efficiencies.” I thought efficiencies were good.

GIBSON: The agencies are not involved in entitlements. Basically, discretionary spending is 18 percent of the budget.

PALIN: We have certainly seen excess in agencies, though, and in — when bureaucrats, when bureaucracy just gets kind of comfortable, going with the status-quo and not being challenged to find efficiencies and spend other people’s money wisely … then that’s where we get into the situation that we are into today, and that is a tremendous growth of government, a huge debt, trillions of dollars of debt that we’re passing on to my kids and your kids and your grandkids … It’s unacceptable.

I’m down with that! The thing is, no politician is willing to say the military is what we overspend the most on.

And I’m definitely thinking I’m missing something on using the word “efficiencies” the way she is. Either that or she’s a moron.

Could go either way.

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There you have it! WHEW! It’s been a long time coming, hasn’t it? Just wait until the debates. Actually, I think I’ll quip to them live. This took a long-ass time to finish…

ThePete VS. PALIN VS. GIBSON: FIGHT! (Round 6)

by ThePete 9:00 am 2008-09-21

We now join ABC News’ Charlie Gibson’s interview with Sarah Palin, accompanied by round 6 of my commentary (check out round 1, round 2, round 3, round 4 and round 5!), already in progress:

Sarah Palin on Banning Books:

This should be a no-brainer!

GIBSON: There’s a lot on the Internet about a conversation you did or did not have with a librarian about banning books. Want to clear up what’s on the Internet?

PALIN: I never banned a book, never desired to ban a book. When I became mayor in our town, it was the issue of: what if a parent came into our local public library and asked for a book to be taken off the shelf, wha’s the policy? …It kind of cracked me up seeing the list of books that I supposedly banned&one of them was ‘Harry Potter!’ It wasn’t even written or published then.

So, she doesn’t deny considering banning books if a parent asked her to. That’s still kind of worrisome seeing as it’s a free speech issue.

Sarah Palin on ‘Troopergate’:

GIBSON: The other issue is Troopergate, which is very much in the news today, the Associated Press is saying how there’s going to be 13 subpoenas that come out, one of them to your husband, Todd. First of all, do you welcome the investigation&

PALIN: Absolutely, there’s nothing to hide in this. The personnel board is the appropriate agency or overseeing board to inquire as to whether anybody did anything wrong or not, but here’s the issue with Troopergate and I’m glad that you’re asking.

I think the word is “oversight” not “overseeing.” I could be wrong…

The trooper in question here did conduct dangerous and illegal activities and our personal security detail when I was first elected had asked us very appropriately, are there any threats against you and your family.

That’s not what the guy you fired said!

And I said, well, you know, ironically, yeah, it’s a state trooper who’s threatened to kill my dad and bring down me and once I got elected, his threats were he was going to bring down the governor and the governor’s family, so it was very appropriate that we brought the concerns to personal security detail — they asked us to bring it to the commissioner, which I did.

GIBSON: And he was your brother-in-law at one point.

PALIN: Yeah, back in ‘05 — yeah.

Here are those short ‘n’ vague answers again! Care to elaborate and maybe dispel the rumors about you firing someone because they wouldn’t fire your ex-BIL?

GIBSON: The — you mentioned the personnel board, it’s a bipartisan legislative group, that’s working at it now, which you said was fine, until you got named as the vice presidential nominee, and then you said the personnel board ought to handle it.

PALIN: We’ve said all along that & the personnel board is the appropriate agency or board to inquire — our state statute says if there is a question about actions of the governor, lt. governor, or attorney general, you go to the personnel board. So we’ve said all along that that’s appropriate &

GIBSON: Even though they’re all appointed by you.

D’OH!

PALIN: No, they’re not.

Oh.

In fact, they were all appointed by the prior administration, I had one reappointment on that board, they weren’t all appointed by me. But, the issue that people are asking about — first, they got it wrong when they say did I fire a trooper, because there was an issue back in ‘05 about him, as he was divorcing my sister. No, nobody fired the trooper, he’s still a trooper to this day, he’s out there. He had tasered his stepson

TIME OUT!

I had to look this claim up. So, it turns out Wooten did taser his step son, but according to what Wooten told CNN Wooten didn’t taser the kid like he was an RNC protester, but in fact just put him through a portion of the training cops go through by shocking his step-son.

HE ADMITS THIS WAS NOT A GOOD THING TO DO AND I AM NOT DEFENDING HIM.

However, Palin saying that Wooten “tasered his own step-son” seems to be intentionally misleading, aka the dictionary’s idea of a lie.

he had made those death threats, you know, there were a lot of concerns from not just my family, but from the public about this trooper’s activities, and he’s apologized for those since, I saw on the air the other day.

Well, so long as you saw it on TV.

But, the issue is the commissioner, who was his boss, was he pressured to fire that trooper, that’s the underlying issue here, right, Commissioner Monegan. Commissioner Monegan has said the governor never asked me to fire him, the governor’s husband never asked me to fire him, and we never did. I never pressured him to hire or fire anybody.

That’s not what Monegan told ABC News. Here’s an excerpt from an article at their website:

“I was called to her Anchorage formal Governor’s office to talk with Todd Palin about an issue that was a private family matter,” recounted Monegan. Todd became “upset,” Monegan recalled, when told the allegations had already been investigated and the case would not be re-opened.

“When Sarah later called to tell me the same thing, I thought to myself, ‘I may not be long for this job.’” But, Monegan said, he stood by his position. “I held the public trust. As Chief, I was responsible.”

Governor Palin initially agreed to “cooperate fully” with the Alaska state legislative investigation but since being chosen as John McCain’s running mate both she and her husband have refused to testify voluntarily. Friday the legislature issued a subpoena for Todd Palin.

Monegan said he tried to persuade the first couple to drop the matter. “As a cop for 35 years I’m pretty familiar with issues that come up in divorce cases,” and said his argument to both Todd and Sarah was, “if this was so egregious, why didn’t you bring it up sooner? Why did you wait until several years later?”

Monegan, who gave sworn testimony behind closed doors for nearly eight hours last week, said he also provided the State’s investigator with copies of e-mails he received from the Governor in which she referred in disparaging terms to her former brother-in-law.

“This is not a ‘he said she said’ situation. Others were contacted by Todd and Sarah as well,” according to Monegan, who said he was confident the investigation would find adequate documentation to corroborate his testimony.

So, there you go. Either you believe Monegan or you don’t. It sounds like there was pressure put on him. Let’s see what else Palin has to say about it:

Why I replaced commissioner Monegan was after two years, of he working in my cabinet, as a political appointment, at will, exempt, recognizing after two years, he wasn’t meeting the goals I wanted met in that area of public service, there were a lot of things that we were lacking, and a lot of goals weren’t being met&

I wanted to bring somebody in with more vision and more energy to beef up public safety, hire more troopers, we increased the budget, yet still we had dozens and dozens of trooper positions vacant, we weren’t reaching the goals on recruitment and retention of troopers, so that was one of the issues. I did recognize though that Commissioner Monegan could provide for the state some good public service in another area, so I did offer him another job, as the person in charge of the alcohol beverage control board, he chose not to transfer into that position, he chose then to leave state service, he didn’t want that position, so the two issues have nothing to do with each other, the trooper’s still a trooper today, Commissioner Monegan was offered another job, he turned that down, and now we’re in the midst of a hiring practice for a new commissioner.

More from that ABC News article quoting Monegan:

“No goals were conveyed to me by the Governor at any time,” said Monegan.

“All of the Commissioners who worked for the Governor would say the same. She was preoccupied with her pipeline proposal,” Monegan said. “All of us were waiting to hear what goals she would set for our departments.”

Monegan said the Governor never sat down to talk with him about public safety priorities. “She met with us perhaps four times,” he said, “and half the time the Governor was busy on her Blackberry. In one meeting she took a phone call and left the room, directing us to talk to her aide.”

The only goals that were set for his department, said Monegan, “we incorporated through the Department of Public Safety Strategic Plan, which we ran past her, she approved and we posted on our website.”

Oops. Sorry, Sarah. Seems other people disagree with you.

It seems you’re shaping up to be a first-class typical politician!

GIBSON: You think he should be a trooper? Given what he did?

PALIN: It amazes me still to think we cannot have very, very high standards for our troopers, for anybody in public service,

Be careful what you wish for!

certainly though, those who have a badge and carry a gun. But, I have always put in my commissioners hands their rights, their authority to hire, fire those that they need on their team to provide for better public service, I haven’t micromanaged them. So, I didn’t tell the guy to hire or fire anybody.

She has “always” done that? For all 2 years she’s been a governor? Or for the six years she was mayor of a town so small the entire population could fit inside Invesco Field ten times over? How many commissioners has she had?

GIBSON: Didn’t improperly intercede, not worried about the subpoenas, even to Todd.

PALIN: No, because I know that Todd, too, never pressured Commissioner Monegan. He did, very appropriately, though, bring up those concerns about a trooper who was making threats against the first family, and that is appropriate, in fact, you go to the department of law’s web site, and it says right there in Q&A form on their Web site, it says, if you have an issue or a concern about an Alaskan state trooper, you bring that concern to the commissioner of the department of public safety. That’s what Todd did, he appropriately did.

It’s all very appropriate, except when you guys kept bringing it up, apparently.

I mean, come on, are threats from an alcoholic ex-husband really threats? I mean, I suppose, but it seems to me like you did the right thing in calling the police, but then you didn’t let it go once the cops said there was nothing more to do. I mean, Monegan says you waited years to pursue this with the police.

But another issue that I think has been lost through mainstream media reporting this, is that the trooper is still a trooper, Commissioner Monegan was replaced because he wasn’t reaching the goals that our cabinet members were to reach, find efficiencies, put new vision, new energy into all of our departments. And, it’s an issue that should be investigated by the personnel board, and they do — it’s been so politicized at this point, too, I think it’s turned into quite the political issue.

Well, you are a politician. Can’t be too surprised about that.

Sarah Palin on Economic Policy:

We’ll save this for part 7! That’ll be posted tomorrow. Thanks for reading!

ThePete VS. PALIN VS. GIBSON: FIGHT! (Round 5)

by ThePete 12:00 pm 2008-09-20

We now join ABC News’ Charlie Gibson’s interview with Sarah Palin, accompanied by round 5 of my commentary (check out round 1, round 2, round 3 and round 4!), already in progress:

Sarah Palin on Hillary Clinton:

GIBSON: I saw you quoted somewhere as speaking rather admiringly of Mrs. Clinton, Senator Clinton, during the primary campaign. Do you think Obama should’ve picked her?

PALIN: I think he’s regretting not picking her now, I do. What, what determination, and grit, and even grace through some tough shots that were fired her way, she handled those well.

Wow, no talk of how thankful Sarah is to Hillary for blazing a path for her?

No follow up from Charlie on how Palin might feel about people who think that maybe if Hillary hadn’t run McCain would never have chosen her?

GOOD TV!

Sarah Palin on Abortion Rights:

GIBSON: In the time I have left, I want to talk about some social issues.

PALIN: OK.

PALIN: What, like MySpace, errr that Facebook? Errrr, the Twitter?

GIBSON: No, those are social networks, I’m going to ask you about social issues like whether or not you think a woman has the right to kill a creature living inside herself–a creature that gestates and eventually emerges, forcing vast amounts of blood and treasure to be spent on its behalf. You know, abortion.

GIBSON: Roe v. Wade, do you think it should be reversed?

PALIN: I think it should and I think that states should be able to decide that issue…

So, she’s anti-individual choice, but pro-state choice. Well, it could be worse.

I am pro-life. I do respect other people’s opinion on this, also, and I think that a culture of life is best for America…

PALIN: Which is why I believe that going over and killing Iraqis who don’t do as we say is part of God’s plan.

What I want to do, when elected vice president, with John McCain, hopefully,

Oh, snap, dude! McCain, man, your girl just said she’d be VP with someone else!! That’s so wrong, man!

Where’s the loyalty!

be able to reach out and work with those who are on the other side of this issue, because I know that we can all agree on the need for and the desire for fewer abortions in America and greater support for adoption, for other alternatives that women can and should be empowered to embrace, to allow that culture of life. That’s my personal opinion on this, Charlie.

So, she’s for expanding government programs that would give expectant mothers money and health insurance so that they can afford to blow nine months of their lives, popping out this child who will only get stuck in a system that is already crowded with kids that need parents?

I mean, how else could expectant mothers who didn’t plan on having a kid get the support (financial and otherwise) they need to be able to “embrace” alternatives to abortion?

Carrying a baby to term is a HUGE commitment and a HUGE sacrifice. Sure, Sarah, your kid is lucky because she was born to rich (and white) parents. What happens to women who can’t just run to their parents for financial and emotional support? What happens in cases where the woman simply can’t afford to get proper prenatal care? What about cases of rape or incest? That requires even more than just financial and emotional support.

Where does all of it come from for people who don’t already have it in their families?

GIBSON: John McCain would allow abortion in cases of rape and incest. Do you believe in it only in the case where the life of the mother is in danger?

PALIN: That is my personal opinion.

Well, at least she’s willing to let the mother live!

GIBSON: Would you change and accept it in rape and incest?

PALIN: My personal opinion is that abortion allowed if the life of the mother is endangered. Please understand me on this. I do understand McCain’s position on this. I do understand others who are very passionate about this issue who have a differing.

A differing WHAT? :P

So, Sarah Palin’s advice for women who have been raped is: “Suck it up! It’s only nine months!”

Sarah Palin on Social Issues:

Isn’t that what we’ve been talking about?

GIBSON: Embryonic stem cell research, John McCain has been supportive of it.

PALIN: You know, when you’re running for office, your life is an open book and you do owe it to Americans to talk about your personal opinion, which may end up being different than what the policy in an administration would be.

This is a good point. In fact, it’s a great point. If she votes with the Constitution and the will of the people, I’d be OK with that (I still wouldn’t be happy with her as VP, but I’d be glad she’d be using the USC as her guide and not, say, the Bible).

My personal opinion is we should not create human life, create an embryo and then destroy it for research, if there are other options out there… And thankfully, again, not only are there other options, but we’re getting closer and closer to finding a tremendous amount more of options, like, as I mentioned, the adult stem cell research.

Does she even understand this topic? It’s not like the cells are taken from some sort of human-like thing. This is a tiny, tiny, little blob, we’re talking about. Something that is so far off from knowing ANYthing that it really is quite impossible to call it a human life.

GIBSON: Homosexuality, genetic or learned?

PALIN: Oh, I don’t — I don’t know, but I’m not one to judge and, you know, I’m from a family and from a community with many, many members of many diverse backgrounds and I’m not going to judge someone on whether they believe that homosexuality is a choice or genetic. I’m not going to judge them.

GIBSON: All right, then judge gays. Destined for hell or heaven?

Come on, Charlie–always letting us down with the lack of follow-ups!

GIBSON: Guns, 70 percent of this country supports a ban on semiautomatic assault weapons. Do you?

PALIN: I do not and, you know, here again, life being an open book here, as a candidate, I’m a lifetime member of the NRA. I believe strongly in our Second Amendment rights. That’s kind of inherent in the people of my state who rely on guns for not just self-protection, but also for our hunting and for sports, also. It’s a part of a culture here in Alaska. I’ve just grown up with that.

I actually think this is a fair response. One of her only fair responses in this interview. I’m an independent so I have beliefs that fall toward both major parties. I’m for realistic gun laws that stop people with mental issues or certain types of criminal records from getting guns. Ultimately, I’m all for the right to bear arms. Even fully automatic weapons.

Of course, I’m also for mandatory training for all American citizens in the firing of guns. I think it should be federally mandated that every child know how a gun works, how to fire it and the kind of harm it can do. I think if we’re taught an early fear of the gun, we’ll be able to cut down on deaths by firearms.

Remember, the reason we have the right to bear arms is so we can defend ourselves against thieves and murderers and politicians.

I know, I know, it’s tough to tell all those guys apart sometimes. :) But seriously, the idea was that if Americans were armed, politicians would be less likely to screw around with laws.

GIBSON: Isn’t gun violence in America a health issue? We spend billions of dollars a year every year treating people who are victims of gun violence. Nothing we can do about that?

Well, I pretty much just said that it’s an education issue but this question was directed at Ms. Palin.

PALIN: Do I think that all of that gun violence, though, is caused by people pulling a trigger who would have followed any law anyway? No. You start banning guns and you start taking away guns from people who will use them responsibly and use them ethically.

You put more and more laws on guns and you start taking away a Second Amendment right, it’s going to be, Charlie, the bad guys who have the guns, not those who are law-abiding citizens.

If only she held the other amendments in as high esteem (I’m looking at you 1st amendment!).

Sarah Palin on Sexism:

GIBSON: Is it sexist for people to ask how can somebody manage a family of seven and the vice presidency? Is that a sexist question to ask?

PALIN: I don’t know. I’m lucky to have been brought up in a family where gender has never been an issue. I’m a product of Title 9, also, where we had equality in schools that was just being ushered in with sports and with equal opportunity for education, all of my life.

But not equal pay, though.

I’m part of that generation, where that question is kind of irrelevant, because it’s accepted. Of course you can be the vice president and you can raise a family.

DUDE, FIVE KIDS. Clearly, what with Bristol getting pregnant, you can’t handle the job while being governor. Come on. Let’s be adult and honest here.

This is a sexist issue, only in that it’s about being a mom. Sure, if the dad wants to quit his job and take over, that’s cool. But, as I mentioned, as a good Christian, you couldn’t even keep your own daughter from having sex, clearly you and your hubby were missing something.

I’m the governor and I’m raising a family. I’ve been a mayor and have raised a family. I’ve owned a business and we’ve raised a family.

Yeah and everything’s been FINE!

What people have asked me when I was — when I learned I was pregnant, “Gosh, how are you going to be the governor and have a baby in office, too,” and I replied back then, as I would today, “I’ll do it the same way the other governors have done it when they’ve either had baby in office or raised a family.” Granted, they’re men, but do it the same way that they do it.

Stick the babies with their spouses while they sleep around? :P

Nooo, of course, it’s possible to have a HUGE family and still be a politician. However, the other spouse has to want to take a very hands-on role in order to still be good parents. The myth that two income families turn out just fine is just that, a myth–at least for the first several years of childhood. Once they go to school, it’s easier, but not by much.

What happens if Palin has to cast a deciding vote on the senate floor and her husband is off field dressing a moose and one of her kids falls and cracks their skull open?

The kid bleeds by him/herself until she’s done with the work of the nation.

GIBSON: When we posted this question on the Internet, we had 15,000 replies within 48 hours and every woman with young children struggles with this question, should I, how can I, will I be able to. And I’m curious to hear you talk just about how you’ve internalized that.

PALIN: Sure. And I understand what that struggle is, what those internal questions are. I’ve gone through the same thing over these 19 years from having my first born to today having a newborn.

In these 19 years, a lot of circumstances have changed. I stayed home with my son until he was seven years old, had just worked part-time, until I got into full-time employment again when he was seven. I had that choice then and I’ve had choices, of course, along the way.

Must be nice having all of those choices, huh, Sarah?

I bet you’d really hate to lose any of those choices.

Would you say that your pro- choice, Sarah?

Sarah Palin on Banning Books:

We’ll save this for part 6! That’ll be posted tomorrow. Thanks for reading!

ThePete VS. PALIN VS. GIBSON: FIGHT! (Round 4)

by ThePete 7:00 pm 2008-09-18

We now join ABC News’ Charlie Gibson’s interview with Sarah Palin, accompanied by round 4 of my commentary (check out round 1, round 2 and round 3!), already in progress:

The following excerpts are from ABC News’ second of three exclusive interviews with Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, conducted by “World News” anchor Charlie Gibson on September 11, 2008, along the Trans-Alaska Pipeline, outside of Fairbanks.

Ooo, ON LOCATION is SEXY.

Sarah Palin on Climate Change:

GIBSON: Let me talk a little bit about environmental policy, because this interfaces with energy policy and you have some significant differences with John McCain. Do you still believe that global warming is not man-made?

PALIN: I believe that man’s activities certainly can be contributing to the issue of global warming, climate change. Here in Alaska, the only arctic state in our union, of course, we see the effects of climate change more so than any other area with ice pack melting.

I’m so glad she isn’t one of those people who says “I don’t believe in Global Warming.” like it’s “evolution” or something.

I mean, puhlease! Evolution is just a theory! Global Warming is like REAL. I saw it on the news!!

Regardless, though, of the reason for climate change, whether it’s entirely, wholly caused by man’s activities or is part of the cyclical nature of our planet — the warming and the cooling trends — regardless of that, John McCain and I agree that we gotta do something about it and we have to make sure that we’re doing all we can to cut down on pollution.

Wow, surprisingly progressive words from a Christian fundy who is a robot for the Republican cause. I guess the rest of us have simply given them no choice but to accept this as fact.

Amazing.

GIBSON: But it’s a critical point as to whether or not this is man-made. He says it is. You have said in the past it’s not.

Why is it a critical point, Charlie?

Who gives a crap why it’s happening? Just make the changes required to help the environment!

Ultimately, she can think what she wants, so long as she agrees that things are happening and that they need to be dealt with.

It seems like you’re just baiting her with this question.

PALIN: The debate on that even, really has evolved into, OK, here’s where we are now: scientists do show us that there are changes in climate. Things are getting warmer. Now what do we do about it. And John McCain and I are gonna be working on what we do about it.

Sure you are.

GIBSON: Yes, but isn’t it critical as to whether or not it’s man-made, because what you do about it depends on whether its man-made.

No, it really isn’t. We need to curb our use of fossil fuels and foreign oil across the board for a thousand other reasons aside from whether it’s causing Climate Change. Let the naysayers deny Global Warming all together if they want. It still won’t change the fact that our dependence on fossil fuels is dangerous politically and it’s bad for the environment long before it is a cause of GW.

Mind you, I, ThePete, am not disagreeing that Global Warming is caused by humans. I’m just trying to get around a lot of the standard arguments.

PALIN: That is why I’m attributing some of man’s activities to potentially causing some of the changes in the climate right now.

GIBSON: But I, color me a cynic, but I hear a little bit of change in your policy there. When you say, yes, now you’re beginning to say it is man-made. It sounds to me like you’re adapting your position to Sen. McCain’s.

PALIN: I think you are a cynic because show me where I have ever said that there’s absolute proof that nothing that man has ever conducted or engaged in has had any affect, or no affect, on climate change.

Ohhh, Charlie! Follow up with an exact quote! Or at least follow up!

You let a girl nail you, Charlie!!

Actually, I can think of a few guys that might enjoy getting nailed by Palin…

Ohhh, I kid!

Sarah Palin on Arctic National Wildlife Refuge:

GIBSON: ANWR. You favor drilling in the Arctic National Refuge. He does not.

PALIN: I sure do.

Yes, but McCain DOESN’T! Perhaps you’d like to talk about why you do and how you’re going to deal with McCain disagreeing with you?

Enough with the short, useless answers!

GIBSON: You changed him on that? He changing you?

GIBSON: Me reporter, you Sarah. Me make big bucks off making you seem dumb. Me no understand why last sentence be so grammatically wrong.

PALIN: I’m going to keep working on that one with him. ANWR, of course, is a 2,000-acre swath of land in the middle of about a 20 million-acre swath of land. Two-thousand acres that we’re asking the feds to unlock so that there can be exploration and development.

Oooo, now that money is involved, Palin brings the deets! Sheesh, if Gibson had known that, maybe he’d have started to ask about money from the start!

Hey, that reminds me, here we are in “part two” of ABC’s interview and Charlie has yet to ask about the economy.

GIBSON: So, you’ll agree to disagree on ANWR?

PALIN: That’s exactly right. We’ll agree to disagree, but I’m gonna keep pushing that, and I think, eventually, we’re all gonna come together on that one.

Why don’t you ask God to show McCain the light on drilling in ANWR?

The following excerpts are from ABC News’ third and final interview with Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, conducted by “World News” anchor Charlie Gibson on September 12, 2008, at the Palin home in Wasilla, Alaska.

Wow, part two was short and not very substantive.

Sarah Palin on Reform:

GIBSON: Didn’t George Bush come to Washington eight years ago talking about reforming Washington in the same kind of language? Ran as something of a maverick actually; came to Washington. Eight years, hasn’t changed the ethos in Washington particularly. Why are you any different?

She isn’t. :P

Nor is Obama–all politicians will say anything to get in office. Once they’re in, that’s when we can really find out if we want(ed) to vote for them or not.

:(

PALIN: Well, we’re promising the reform.

Uh, huh.

WAIT, I mean: uh-uh!

What you guys are doing is claiming the same old thing is reform.

I remember Fred Thompson at the RNC this year saying that conservatives need to get back in control in Washington. That’s who has been controlling Washington all these years! Well, self-named conservatives, anyway. The point is, that’s not change, that’s more of the same. (Biden said that at the DNC, btw–I don’t want to “Biden” a Biden speech!)

And we are mavericks.

PALIN:… AND WE’RE READY TO ROCK!

There’s no doubt in anybody’s mind now across America, who’s paying attention to the presidential race here, that I am a Washington outsider. I mean, look at where you are. I’m a Washington outsider. I do not have those allegiances to the power brokers, to the lobbyists.

You do NOW, BITCH! Guess what happens when you join ticket!

We need someone like that in Washington, someone committed to the American people and implementing their will, not the power brokers’ will.

Uhhh, the people in Washington ARE the power brokers.

Do you understand how government works, Palin?

GIBSON: You mentioned in the three principles that you’ll change spending.

The “three principles”??? What are those?

You also talked about taxes. Why do you both keep saying that Obama is going to raise people’s taxes? It’s been pretty clear what he intends. He’s talked about middle-class tax cuts, extending Bush tax cuts on everything but people who own or earn more than $250,000 a year — cuts taxes on over 91 percent of the country. Why do you keep saying he’s going to raise people’s taxes?

Because she’s a politician.

Duh.

PALIN: Well, I would argue with the whole premise of that, that his mission is to not increase taxes. He’s had 94 opportunities to either vote for a tax cut or not support tax increases. And 94 times, he’s been on the other side of what I believe the majority of Americans want.

So, a Republibot is arguing that Charlie has set up a false premise.

Tee-hee! That’s adorable! It’s like she’s forgotten all of the straw man arguments she and the other Republicans set up at their convention!

Ugh–and another failure of Charlie Gibson to follow up. She counter-acted your accusation of lying about Obama by lying about Obama!

You should have asked her: “So, you are saying because Obama has voted down tax cuts that he is for tax hikes?”

Because that’s what it seems like she said and that seems to conflict with what Obama has said. Seeing as he’s said that he’ll cut taxes.

See for mature adults, it’s OK to be for something before you were against it. It’s called “changing your mind” and can be done for very good reasons!

Of course, Obama is a politician just like Palin, so I’ll believe those tax cuts when I see them.

Sarah Palin on Congressional Spending and the ”Bridge to Nowhere’:

Speaking of being for something before you were against it… :P

GIBSON: One of John McCain’s central campaign arguments, tenets of his campaign, is eliminating earmarks, getting rid of them. Are you with John McCain on that?

I’ve heard Sarah Palin is anything but anti-pork barrel politics.

PALIN: I certainly am. And of course the poster child for the earmarks was Alaska’s, what people in the lower 48 refer to as the bridge to nowhere. First it was a bridge to community with an airport in southeast Alaska. But that was excessive. And an earmark — an earmark like that, not even supported necessarily by the majority of Alaskans. We killed that earmark. We killed that project…

But who thought it was OK before it started to look like a bad idea?

I heard it was you, Governor Palin.

GIBSON: You have said continually, since he chose you as his vice presidential nominee, that I said to Congress, thanks but not thanks. If we’re going to build that bridge, we’ll build it ourselves.

PALIN: Right.

Surprise! A follow-up from Charlie! I seriously thought he wouldn’t do it!

GIBSON: But it’s now pretty clearly documented. You supported that bridge before you opposed it.

Of course, we mature adults know that it’s OK to change your mind, but let’s watch the fun as Pain squirms under a microscope of her own party’s design!

You were wearing a T-shirt in the 2006 campaign, showed your support for the bidge to nowhere.

PALIN: I was wearing a T-shirt with the Zip code of the community that was asking for that bridge. Not all the people in that community even were asking for a $400 million or $300 million bridge.

DUCK!

GIBSON: But you turned against it after Congress had basically pulled the plug on it; after it became apparent that the state was going to have to pay for it, not the Congress; and after it became a national embarrassment to the state of Alaska. So do you want to revise and extend your remarks?

PALIN: It has always been an embarrassment that abuse of the ear form — earmark process has been accepted in Congress. And that’s what John McCain has fought.

DUCK!

And that’s what I joined him in fighting. It’s been an embarrassment, not just Alaska’s projects. But McCain gives example after example after example. I mean, every state has their embarrassment.

DUCK!

And, as I’ve said over and over, if Alaska wants that bridge, $300 million, $400 million dollars, over to that island with an airport, we’ll find a way to build it ourselves. The rest of the country doesn’t have to build that for us.

DUCK!

But isn’t that sweet? She doesn’t want the rest of the country to pay for her stupid little bridge that no one wanted! How thoughtful of her!!

So, why did she want it in the first place if she was going to make the rest of the country pay for it?

GIBSON: But you were for it before you were against it. You were solidly for it for quite some period of time…

GOOSE!

PALIN: I was …

GIBSON: … until Congress pulled the plug.

PALIN: I was for infrastructure being built in the state. And it’s not inappropriate for a mayor or for a governor to request and to work with their Congress and their congressmen, their congresswomen, to plug into the federal budget along with every other state a share of the federal budget for infrastructure.

QUACK!

GIBSON: Right.

PALIN: What I supported was the link between a community and its airport. And we have found that link now.

QUACK!

GIBSON: But you didn’t say no to Congress, well build it ourselves until after they pulled the plug. Correct?

PALIN: No, because Congress still allowed those dollars to come into Alaska. They did.

And where did those dollars go?

GIBSON: Well, but …

Aw, COME ON, CHARLIE! Don’t drop the ball on this one!! It’s an easy pitch!

PALIN: Transportation fund dollars still came into Alaska. It was our choice, Charlie, whether we were going to spend it on a bridge or not. And I said, thanks, but no thanks. We’re not going to spend it on the bridge.

So, she kept all that money for the bridge she no longer wanted that she had previously wanted.

You might almost wonder if the whole bridge thing was horseshit and she just wanted to get her state more money.

PALIN: And now obviously, Charlie, with the federal government saying, no, the rest of the nation does not want to fund that project. You have a choice. You either read the writing on the wall and understand okay, yes, that, that project’s going nowhere. And the state isn’t willing to fund that project. So what good does it do to continue to support something that circumstances have so drastically changed? You call an audible, and you deal in reality, and you move on. And, Charlie, we killed the bridge to nowhere and that’s the bottom line.

Tee-hee, but you kept the money…

GIBSON: The state of Alaska, under OMB figures in 2008, got $155 million in earmarks for a population of 670,000. That’s $231 per person in Alaska. The state of Illinois, Obama’s state, got $22 per person. You got 10 times per person as much. How does that square with your reforms?

All right, Gibson, you should have followed up with the “but you kept the money” question, but comparing state earmarks is a good one, too. I’ll give you this one…

PALIN: We have drastically, drastically reduced our earmark request since I came into office.

OK. But you can say anything you want. Are you done reducing earmarks, orrrr?

GIBSON: But you still have multiple of any other state.

PALIN: We sure are — and this is what — you go out and you ask any Alaskan this. This is what I’ve been telling Alaskans for these years that I’ve been in office, is no more.

Uh, I don’t think Palin understood what you meant, Charlie. I’ll paraphrase:

GIBSON: “Alaska still gets way more money from earmarks than any other state.”

PALIN: “You betcha! And for 2 whole years I’ve been tellin’ Alaskans no more!”

Uh-huh. You wanna tell us how you’ve cut down earmarks even more? Like which ones and such?

GIBSON: Governor, this year, requested $3.2 million for researching the genetics of harbor seals, money to study the mating habits of crabs. Isn’t that exactly the kind of thing that John McCain is objecting to?

DUDE–mating habits of CRABS???

That’s so awesome! I LOVE CRAB SEX!

I know how to solve all of this debate!

How about we stop invading other countries and spend some of that $1 trillion we spent on Iraq and Afghanistan on Crab Sex Research?

Surely, crab sex is part of God’s plan, right?

PALIN: Those requests, through our research divisions and fish and game and our wildlife departments and our universities, those research requests did come through that system, but wanting it to be in the light of day, not behind closed doors, with lobbyists making deals with Congress to stick things in there under the public radar. That’s the abuse that we’re going to stop. That’s what John McCain has promised over and over for these years and that’s what I’m joining him, also, saying, you’re right, the abuse of earmarks, it’s un-American, it’s undemocratic, and it’s not going to be accepted in a McCain-Palin administration. Earmark abuse will stop.

So, what? Are you going to fire the governor of Alaska or something?

Sarah Palin on Hillary Clinton:

We’ll save this for part 5! That’ll be posted tomorrow. Thanks for reading!

ThePete VS. PALIN VS. GIBSON: FIGHT! (Round 3)

by ThePete 2:22 pm 2008-09-17

We now join ABC News’ Charlie Gibson’s interview with Sarah Palin, accompanied by round 3 of my commentary (check out round 1 and round 2!), already in progress:

Sarah Palin on Iran and Israel:

GIBSON: Let me turn to Iran. Do you consider a nuclear Iran to be an existential threat to Israel?

PALIN: I believe that under the leadership of Ahmadinejad, nuclear weapons in the hands of his government are extremely dangerous to everyone on this globe, yes.

That’s funny since Ahmadinejad isn’t the top leader in Iran. Listening to him is like listening to Condoleeza Rice. There’s a supreme leader in Iran that no one every talks about or to who is really in charge.

And hey, why are Iranian nukes bad and American nukes AOK? Is it because we’re Christian and they’re Muslim? Or is it that they’re crazy and we’re sane?

I have yet to hear one reasonable argument for why Iranian nukes are worse than US nukes.

And can someone please explain to me why Iran would use nukes on anyone? The minute they do, we nuke them out of existence.

Besides that, Iran sells its oil to the world (including the US), why would they nuke us or our allies? They’d be killing off their customers. It makes no sense at all.

This is the same bullshit they tried to pull with Iraq and I felt the same way back then–why would Saddam bomb his number one customer? Answer: he wouldn’t.

GIBSON: So what should we do about a nuclear Iran? John McCain said the only thing worse than a war with Iran would be a nuclear Iran. John Abizaid said we may have to live with a nuclear Iran. Who’s right?

PALIN: No, no. I agree with John McCain that nuclear weapons in the hands of those who would seek to destroy our allies, in this case, we’re talking about Israel, we’re talking about Ahmadinejad’s comment about Israel being the “stinking corpse, should be wiped off the face of the earth,” that’s atrocious. That’s unacceptable.

Yes, anyone who disagrees with US sentiment toward Israel is just WRONG!

GIBSON: So what do you do about a nuclear Iran?

Yeah, REALLY, Sarah, get to the man’s question! Seems like your dodging again!

WHO’S MY WITTLE QUESTION DODGER!

sigh…

PALIN: We have got to make sure that these weapons of mass destruction, that nuclear weapons are not given to those hands of Ahmadinejad, not that he would use them, but that he would allow terrorists to be able to use them. So we have got to put the pressure on Iran and we have got to count on our allies to help us, diplomatic pressure.

So, lets follow this logic. Ahmadinejad gets nuke weapons and sells them to Al Qaeda, knowing that AQ will use them to harm westerners, his prime customers for oil.

Logic = none.

GIBSON: But, Governor, we’ve threatened greater sanctions against Iran for a long time. It hasn’t done any good. It hasn’t stemmed their nuclear program.

PALIN: We need to pursue those and we need to implement those. We cannot back off. We cannot just concede that, oh, gee, maybe they’re going to have nuclear weapons, what can we do about it. No way, not Americans. We do not have to stand for that.

Whaaaa? Was that an actual attempt at communication? Let me see if I can unpack that…

We don’t have to stand for Iranian nukes so we need to push for harder sanctions.

I think that’s what she’s saying. But she’s still not explaining why we shouldn’t have to stand for it.

GIBSON: What if Israel decided it felt threatened and needed to take out the Iranian nuclear facilities?

PALIN: Well, first, we are friends with Israel and I don’t think that we should second guess the measures that Israel has to take to defend themselves and for their security.

Is that part of God’s plan? ;)

Seriously, we are WAY more than just friends with Israel. We are their patrons. We give them buckets of money just so they can “defend” themselves against desperate Palestinians with penchants for blowing up pizza parlors.

Sorry, if the country is going to crumble under the weight of a lack of pizza places I’m thinking the country deserves to go away.

Sure, people die in those pizza place bombings, but Israel is also occupying Palestine. Shit or get off the pot, guys. Make it one nation and give Palestinians rights like Israelis or de-occupy the place and leave them alone.

Hey, why ARE we friends with Israel, anyway?

It’s the whole Christian, second coming thing, isn’t it?

The Jews have been returned to Israel for more than a few years now–I’m pretty sure if Jesus was going to return he would have done so by now.

Maybe he did and got aborted by some white trash mom. :P

Sorry, I digress–Palin was responding to what would happen if Israel decided to bomb Iran. Charlie, got a follow up?

GIBSON: So if we wouldn’t second guess it and they decided they needed to do it because Iran was an existential threat, we would cooperative or agree with that.

PALIN: I don’t think we can second guess what Israel has to do to secure its nation.

Considering how much of that security the US is paying for, I’d say we DO have a say.

GIBSON: So if it felt necessary, if it felt the need to defend itself by taking out Iranian nuclear facilities, that would be all right.

PALIN: We cannot second guess the steps that Israel has to take to defend itself.

Oh, no! She’s vapor-locked!! This happens on my Macbook all the time. You just have to do a force-quit. Charlie, press command, option, escape, then shut her down and restart her. She should be fine after that.

But seriously, she’s saying Israel can do what ever they want to Iran and that’s cool.

What’s that? That is scary.

Sarah Palin on ‘the Bush Doctrine’:

GIBSON: We talk on the anniversary of 9/11. Why do you think those hijackers attacked? Why did they want to hurt us?

PALIN: You know, there is a very small percentage of Islamic believers who are extreme and they are violent and they do not believe in American ideals, and they attacked us and now we are at a point here seven years later, on the anniversary, in this post-9/11 world, where we’re able to commit to never again.

Whaaaaaa?

What fresh gibberish is this??

Yes, there are a small number of extremist Muslims who don’t like America and they have attacked us and Sarah is right to say that it has been seven years later!

All of those things are statements of obvious facts.

Then she says: “where we’re able to commit to never again.”

She means “when” we’re able to commit and the ABC guys should have put quotes around “never again” since that’s clearly what she means. Still, she could have made it a bit easier for all of us by, you know, being remotely concise in what the hell she was talking about.

So, all of these things happened and we’re finally (?) ready to commit to saying “never again” in regards to allowing 911 to happen. That’s a little odd. I thought we’ve felt “never again” since 911 happened.

They see that the only option for them is to become a suicide bomber, to get caught up in this evil, in this terror. They need to be provided the hope that all Americans have instilled in us, because we’re a democratic, we are a free, and we are a free-thinking society.

I’m actually with Sarah on most of this stuff. Terrorists do need to be presented with hope before they become terrorists. We aren’t all that democratic (our election system is in shambles) we are less free now than we have been and I think it’s quite dubious for Palin to call us a free-thinking society when dissent is squashed at her party’s convention by people yelling U!S!A! U!S!A!

Also, isn’t she against Roe v. Wade? So much for free and free-thinking.

A woman should have the right to think what she wants and do what she wants with her body. Not having those freedoms means not being entirely free.

I mean, duh.

GIBSON: Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?

PALIN: In what respect, Charlie?

Tee-hee, I did hear about this part.

I hope she asks Charlie to define the meaning of “is.”

GIBSON: The Bush — well, what do you — what do you interpret it to be?

PALIN: His world view.

GIBSON: No, the Bush doctrine, enunciated September 2002, before the Iraq war.

PALIN: Oh, THAT! I thought you were asking how he felt about Girl Scout Cookies! Oh, sure! I can tell you buckets about that!

:)

PALIN: I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hell bent on destroying our nation.

But haven’t an ice-cubes chance with 72 virgins of actually managing to destroy our nation, I’d say…

There have been blunders along the way, though.

Blunders?

Leave it to a politician to call hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dead, hundreds of billions of dollars spent and thousands of our GIs dead with almost nothing to show for it “blunders.”

There have been mistakes made. And with new leadership, and that’s the beauty of American elections, of course, and democracy, is with new leadership comes opportunity to do things better.

Right, so, “new leadership” means hiring one of Bush’s biggest supporters and that guy’s soul mate?

GIBSON: The Bush doctrine, as I understand it, is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense, that we have the right to a preemptive strike against any other country that we think is going to attack us. Do you agree with that?

Ahhh, staying on-topic, Charlie, good deal. I got so distracted with her bullshit I forgot what the question was.

PALIN: I agree that a president’s job, when they swear in their oath to uphold our Constitution, their top priority is to defend the United States of America.

Isn’t their top priority to uphold the Constitution?

I know that John McCain will do that and I, as his vice president, families we are blessed with that vote of the American people and are elected to serve and are sworn in on January 20, that will be our top priority is to defend the American people.

WHAT??

Wow… these hockey moms are some loopy pit bulls!! Maybe the lipstick fumes make them high?

Do I even need to break that sentence down for anyone to see how nonsensical it is?

Sarah, come on–either get on or off your meds!

I mean, I get your sentiments, but can you put them in the form of a sentence?

GIBSON: Do we have a right to anticipatory self-defense? Do we have a right to make a preemptive strike again another country if we feel that country might strike us?

PALIN: Charlie, if there is legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that a strike is imminent against American people, we have every right to defend our country. In fact, the president has the obligation, the duty to defend.

Right, but who decides what “legitimate” means? Bush made that call before and so did the House and the Senate. They ALL GOT IT WRONG.

How can we trust the government with the authority to move only based on intelligence?

GIBSON: Do we have the right to be making cross-border attacks into Pakistan from Afghanistan, with or without the approval of the Pakistani government?

PALIN: Now, as for our right to invade, we’re going to work with these countries, building new relationships, working with existing allies, but forging new, also, in order to, Charlie, get to a point in this world where war is not going to be a first option. In fact, war has got to be, a military strike, a last option.

Wow, sounds like she doesn’t like Bush–she seems to think that war is the first option, currently. Funny how Bush and Co. have been going on and on for years that Bush had given diplomacy a chance.

Go fig.

GIBSON: But, Governor, I’m asking you: We have the right, in your mind, to go across the border with or without the approval of the Pakistani government.

PALIN: In order to stop Islamic extremists, those terrorists who would seek to destroy America and our allies, we must do whatever it takes and we must not blink, Charlie, in making those tough decisions of where we go and even who we target.

So… yes, then.

Sorry, that’s the wrong answer, Palin. According to the UN Charter no country can be invaded militarily until that country has used military force against us. We signed the UN Charter, we helped write it, so until we withdraw from the UN, we’re bound to obey the UN Charter. Don’t like the UN? Tough. We should pull out then.

GIBSON: And let me finish with this. I got lost in a blizzard of words there. Is that a yes?

Yes, Charlie, come on. You can just state it.

That you think we have the right to go across the border with or without the approval of the Pakistani government, to go after terrorists who are in the Waziristan area?

PALIN: I believe that America has to exercise all options in order to stop the terrorists who are hell bent on destroying America and our allies. We have got to have all options out there on the table.

Morals be damned! Other nation’s sovereignty be damned!

Oh yeah and: Reality be damned!

All this talk of terrorists destroying America and our allies makes it sound like we’re up against The Legion of Doom or perhaps, an actual threat. I mean, if a few thousand pissed off extremists could destroy America, that’d mean America was a pretty weak-ass country.

How weak does Palin think America is?

We “won the Cold War” with the Soviets who had a nuclear arsenal capable of wiping out the planet, but somehow some guys with turbans will get lucky, score a single nuke or two and some how destroy America?

This is just fear mongering at its least interesting.

The following excerpts are from ABC News’ second of three exclusive interviews with Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, conducted by “World News” anchor Charlie Gibson on September 11, 2008, along the Trans-Alaska Pipeline, outside of Fairbanks.

Ooo, ON LOCATION is SEXY.

Sarah Palin on Climate Change:

We’ll save this for part 4! That’ll be posted tomorrow. Thanks for reading!

ThePete VS. PALIN VS. GIBSON: FIGHT! (Round 2)

by ThePete 4:56 pm 2008-09-16

We now join ABC News’ Charlie Gibson’s interview with Sarah Palin, accompanied by round 2 of my commentary (Check out Round 1), already in progress:

Sarah Palin on God:

GIBSON: You said recently, in your old church, “Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God.” Are we fighting a holy war?

PALIN: You know, I don’t know if that was my exact quote.

It was! It was!

GIBSON: Exact words.

PALIN: But the reference there is a repeat of Abraham Lincoln’s words when he said — first, he suggested never presume to know what God’s will is, and I would never presume to know God’s will or to speak God’s words.

BWHAHAHAHAHA!

You’ve got to be kidding me!!! That’s exactly what she did!!

But what Abraham Lincoln had said, and that’s a repeat in my comments, was let us not pray that God is on our side in a war or any other time, but let us pray that we are on God’s side.

COUGHcopoutCOUGH.

Come on, Sarah. Either you presumed to know God’s will or you Bidenesquely quoted someone without citing your source. Either option still puts you in a pulpit, as the elected governor of the United States, violating the separation of church and state.

That’s what that comment was all about, Charlie. And I do believe, though, that this war against extreme Islamic terrorists is the right thing. It’s an unfortunate thing, because war is hell and I hate war, and, Charlie, today is the day that I send my first born, my son, my teenage son overseas with his Stryker brigade, 4,000 other wonderful American men and women, to fight for our country, for democracy, for our freedoms.

Wow, so either you’re so totally brainwashed or you’re so totally corrupt that you’ll send your own son over there to possibly die.

1) You should never be brainwashed. Question everything.
2) If you’re not brainwashed you’re an amoral hypocrite–life begins at conception but ends when you get killed by an IED in Iraq.

Also, you’re using “your son going over to Iraq” as an example of how you know war is hell?

Seems like your son is a good example of how you DON’T know war is hell or you wouldn’t be sending him over there.

What kind of mother supports a cause that sends her son into hell?

Charlie, those are freedoms that too many of us just take for granted.

Hey, Sarah, fuck you.

THEY ARE GRANTED.

Remember that whole “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights” thing?

Yeah, that pretty much means that we can expect those rights to be intact.

It’s people like you politicians who think that’s up for debate. Taking away Habeus Corpus, arresting protesters, spying on American citizens–all these are great examples of how the United States Government takes away our rights while people like you, Sarah Palin, claim to be fighting for them overseas. How ’bout trying to fight for them right here at home?

And don’t get me started about a woman’s right to choose what she does with her body.

I hate war and I want to see war ended. We end war when we see victory, and we do see victory in sight in Iraq.

Wow, so victory at any cost?

If victory is the only way to reach peace, that’s pretty much all we can assume, right? Beat everyone into submission and there’s peace?

Peace can’t be negotiated? Peace can’t be, oh, I don’t know, reached through a truce? A cease fire?

We can’t just walk away from a fight?

GIBSON: I take your point about Lincoln’s words, but you went on and said, “There is a plan and it is God’s plan.”

Ooo, nice one, Charlie–stick to your guns!

PALIN: I believe that there is a plan for this world and that plan for this world is for good.

Well, THERE’S your problem!! ;)

Hey, Sarah–if you think the plan for the world is good, then why is it that 10 percent of the people have 90 percent of the wealth? Why are people starving to death in Africa while people die of obesity in America?

Why do Chinese workers get paid pennies to make socks we buy in the US for dollars while American workers get paid nothing?

If that’s a “good” plan to you, I definitely don’t want you anywhere NEAR Washington!!

I believe that there is great hope and great potential for every country to be able to live and be protected with inalienable rights that I believe are God-given, Charlie, and I believe that those are the rights to life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Haha, when you can’t offer a straight answer, quote the Declaration of Independence!

Wow, that’s pitiful. Palin, you are pitiful. Give us a straight answer and stop reinforcing politician stereotypes!

That, in my world view, is a grand — the grand plan.

Read: From God.

Not the Creator, but God, aka the Christian God, aka Yahweh, aka Jesus’ pop.

Seems an awful lot like Palin is endorsing a religion there…that’s not legal for an elected official to do according to the 1st amendment.

Just sayin’!

GIBSON: But then are you sending your son on a task that is from God?

PALIN: I don’t know if the task is from God, Charlie.

Uh, I’m pretty sure she used those exact words…

What I know is that my son has made a decision. I am so proud of his independent and strong decision he has made, what he decided to do and serving for the right reasons and serving something greater than himself and not choosing a real easy path where he could be more comfortable and certainly safer.

Yeah, supporting and joining an illegal war based on lies, that’s something to be proud of!

Sarah Palin on National Security:

GIBSON: Let me ask you about some specific national security situations.

PALIN: Sure.

WHEW! For a sec I thought Palin would say no!

And hey, didn’t Gibson already ask her about national security? What was all that stuff about energy and her living so close to Russia?

GIBSON: Let’s start, because we are near Russia, let’s start with Russia and Georgia.

Yeah! That’s what I meant! Oh wait, now you’re talking about Georgia… got it…

The administration has said we’ve got to maintain the territorial integrity of Georgia. Do you believe the United States should try to restore Georgian sovereignty over South Ossetia and Abkhazia?

A reasonable question. Not that we can do anything to restore Georgian sovereignty since our military is already taxed to hell. There’s no way we can do anything to anybody at this point.

PALIN: First off, we’re going to continue good relations with Saakashvili there. I was able to speak with him the other day and giving him my commitment, as John McCain’s running mate, that we will be committed to Georgia.

Wow, that’s quite a commitment! From the vice presidential candidate. I’m sure Saakashvili was impressed!

Who’s my wittle candidate? YOU are! That’s RIGHT! YOU are!!

Oh, I’m doing it again…

And we’ve got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable and we have to keep…

GIBSON: You believe unprovoked.

Uh, yeah–it wasn’t unprovoked. Georgia decided to go for regime change in South Ossetia, a region that had Russian peacekeepers stationed in it. So, when Georgia attacked, Russians were killed.

Most definitely, it was not unprovoked.

PALIN: I do believe unprovoked and we have got to keep our eyes on Russia, under the leadership there.

Well, in Palin’s defense, Georgia is a long way from Alaska–it’s not next door like Russia is. We can’t expect her to know too much about it, right? :P

I think it was unfortunate. That manifestation that we saw with that invasion of Georgia shows us some steps backwards that Russia has recently taken away from the race toward a more democratic nation with democratic ideals.That’s why we have to keep an eye on Russia.

Yeeeeah… so, the seizing of the media in Russia, the killing of reporters critical of Putin, those aren’t good examples of steps away from democracy? I’m thinking Russia invading Georgia has no direct relevance to democracy and is more about a return to cold war attitudes about Russia Vs. the US. I don’t see the connection to democracy there. I just see Russia acting cocky because they know we can’t do shit to stop them.

And, Charlie, you’re in Alaska. We have that very narrow maritime border between the United States, and the 49th state, Alaska, and Russia. They are our next door neighbors.We need to have a good relationship with them. They’re very, very important to us and they are our next door neighbor.

Wow, sounds like Palin is sounding a bit like Prime Minister Chamberlain from before WWII in the UK! Appease our enemies? We can do what ever we want, Palin! We’re AMERICA!

U!S!A! U!S!A!

Actually, caring what your neighbors, I think, is a very good idea, I just doubt it’ll win you many points with Republicans. I bet they’ll change your firmware after this to make sure you don’t spout such reasonable ideas again.

GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?

PALIN: They’re our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.

He said “insight”, Sarah, not “sight”.

SIGH. So much for sounding reasonable…

GIBSON: What insight does that give you into what they’re doing in Georgia?

PALIN: Well, I’m giving you that perspective of how small our world is and how important it is that we work with our allies to keep good relation with all of these countries, especially Russia. We will not repeat a Cold War. We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it’s in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along.

Yeah, I think I saw that written on a bathroom stall: “Sarah Palin gives good relationship”

Hopefully, that was just a typo in the transcript.

Of course, she’s talking about getting along just because that’s the moral thing to say. The reality is both sides do better financially and politically when they don’t get along.

Sarah Palin on Russia:

I thought we just got “Sarah Palin on Russia”. :\

We cannot repeat the Cold War. We are thankful that, under Reagan, we won the Cold War, without a shot fired, also. We’ve learned lessons from that in our relationship with Russia, previously the Soviet Union.

There she goes continuing the lie (or at best the misconception) that we (America) won the Cold War. We didn’t win anything. The USSR lost. The rest of the world, by default, won. See, they were communists–there’s no money in it so they couldn’t compete globally. It was just a matter of time before they crumbled with no money holding them up.

So, is that really the kind of win you want to claim?

“They ran out of money before we did! YAY!”

We will not repeat a Cold War. We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it’s in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along.

I think the transcript just looped itself for a sec…

GIBSON: Would you favor putting Georgia and Ukraine in NATO?

PALIN: Ukraine, definitely, yes. Yes, and Georgia.

Yes, but WHY.

This is not the kind of question you answer as though someone just asked you who you want to manage the homecoming dance at your school.

“Sally, definitely, yes. Yes, and Georgia.”

GIBSON: Because Putin has said he would not tolerate NATO incursion into the Caucasus.

PALIN: Well, you know, the Rose Revolution, the Orange Revolution, those actions have showed us that those democratic nations, I believe, deserve to be in NATO.

Uhhh, you might want to remember that the American public hasn’t gotten the same talking points memo that you have.