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Fact Checking the Vice Presidential Debate #debate08

by ThePete 6:02 pm 2008-10-03

Tired of reading about the economy? Me, too! It’s the weekend so I’m going to spend it posting about fun stuff. In fact, I’m going to be posting about a wider array of things starting next week.

My blog, my passions, I say.

It’s just that things have been so crazy with politics and the economy that it’s been impossible to blog about much else. However, the weekend hasn’t fully started yet, so here’s a bit more politics (sorry).

FactCheck.org came out with their report on the VP debate last night. Read it in full (including an in-depth analysis) here: is.gd/3sYr

In a nutshell, candidates fudged the facts–almost an equal number of times, too. I just wish the folks at FactCheck would point out where no facts were presented at all in answers given. Palin, along with most politicians (but her in particular), has the uncanny ability to make completely empty statements sound substantive. It’s scary as hell, frankly. Her “Word Storms” really do shock and awe. If you’re too polite, you won’t call her on it and she’ll get away with effectively lying (assuming you notice she said nothing at all).

If you missed FactCheck.org’s analysis on the first Presidential debate, you can check it out here: is.gd/3sYr

You might also check out the politics blog at NPR.org for pretty high quality fact-checking, too. Just go here: www.npr.org/blogs/politics/

ALMOST FORGOT: For the last two debates, check out C-SPAN and debatehub.c-span.org for the most unbiased coverage of politics. DO IT NOW! (And tell ‘em ThePete sent ya! You know, if anyone’s there and asks you, or… whatever…)

All right, what a week!

Next week we have the next Prez debate on Tuesday. I’m sure some other crap will happen to keep us busy, too–more banks caving, the dollar dropping, oil climbing.

Who knows? Maybe oil will drop and the dollar will climb?

Nah, I don’t really think so, either.

VP Debate 2008 Post-Mortem #vpdebate

by ThePete 2:19 am 2008-10-03

OK, so there went the first and only vice presidential debate.

I’ve taken some time to try to mull things over and attempt to absorb things for a couple hours before really deciding on what to blog.

I definitely feel like Biden won the debate but only on points. Just like Obama did at the first presidential debate. Joe didn’t trounce her and Palin sure as hell didn’t pummel him.

Biden was as confident and casual as I’d expect a white man in a suit of his age and experience to be. As I mentioned earlier today, I was concerned he would put his foot in his mouth. Luckily, he did fine–better than expected even.

Likewise, Palin did better than expected, too. The frustrating thing is that she didn’t do that well–on numerous occasions she failed entirely to answer the moderator’s questions and often times twisted her “answer” around so that she could talk about something completely unrelated. I think a “storm of words” was how reporter Charlie Gibson described the tactic Palin used tonight during his interview with her. Also, and I’m admitting a personal bias here, she had this smile that came across as infinitely condescending.

And she smiled a lot–all debate long.

Why do I not like that she didn’t do well? Simple, because she still did way better than she’s done in the two lousy interviews she’s given in the last month. She basically tanked both of them so everyone was expecting her to bomb this one like Dresden, but she didn’t. So, now everyone will be claiming she’s the come-back kid on the news. Even the Dems will acquiesce and admit she did better than expected.

Ultimately, I doubt anyone will accurately gauge how poorly she did because she performed so much better than anyone thought. It’s another disturbing example of “sucking less” equating to being a good thing. Our culture is so very backward these days.

So, yeah, I think Biden did better and probably “won” on a technical level, but I’m an anti-McCain guy, so naturally, I’m going to probably be biased against Palin regardless of how un-mind-numbingly stupid she was.

One person I’m also biased against was the moderator. PBS’ Gwen Ifill actually had some respect from me before tonight and, to be sure, she still does. However, she lost some tonight. I found her questions to be a bit soft and really not that important.

She didn’t hold either candidate to the questions in almost all instances where either dodged said questions (yes, Biden did this a couple of times, though not as often as Palin). Sure, she was, in some ways, and improvement over her fellow PBS-er Jim Lehrer who, himself, was like a grampa trying to get his grand kids to play nice. However, Ifill felt like a baby sitter in the next room. I felt like her questions were almost as vague and non-specific as Palin’s answers were.

OK, that’s an exaggeration, but you get my point. I think there was one question where she actually called them both on an issue they had previously flipped flopped on. That was nice.

In conclusion? It’s not quite as big a “meh” as the first presidential debate, but it’s nothing to cheer for either. The debate format was incredibly breezy–it flew by so quickly, though I’m concerned that maybe it shouldn’t have–we want to better know these candidates, right? Shuffling them from topic-to-topic might not be the best way to allow us to do that.

It was kind of a relief to see them both not totally screw the pooch. I hate to feel like any candidate is completely incompetent. I’d like to be proud of all of our leaders.

Of course, these days, that bar is set pretty low, as well.

What are ya gonna do? Move to another country?

Don’t tempt me…

Oh, I’ll do it!

Special thanks to the folks at C-SPAN for doing a bang-up job!! Check out C-SPAN’s bitchingly unbiased coverage of the debates at debatehub.c-span.org or on Twitter at twitter.com/cspan

For other unbiased sources of debate coverage, check out factcheck.org/ and the political blogs over at NPR.org here: npr.org/blogs/politics/

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Thanks for reading!!

Vice Presidential Debate Pre-game Commentary from ThePete #debate08

by ThePete 6:43 pm 2008-10-02

OK, so in just under three hours, the VP debates will begin. I’ll be liveTweeting the event and you can follow along on Twitter: twitter.com/thepete

…Or on my blog by keeping an eye on that TheLifestream.

But regarding tonight’s debate, I have mixed feelings.

On the one hand, it’s going to be a wonderful train wreck to watch. Joe Biden, king of foot-in-mouth syndrome will have to fight nice with Sarah Palin, the queen of sentence-mashups. It’s going to be a wonderful blood-bath whether Palin comes off like a moron (yay!) or Biden looks like a crotchety old man beating up on a little girl (boo!).

So, from a strictly observational standpoint, I’m excited.

However, there’s also a part of me that feels like the process is being damaged thanks to each campaign understanding their VP candi’s weaknesses. I heard this morning that each one will have just 90 seconds to answer questions and 2 minutes to rebut. This will give them fewer chances to screw up just because it won’t let them talk very long. The thing is, We The People should want them to talk longer than 3.5 minutes for each question! We need to get to know these people better. If they’re going to screw up, we want to know about it. If they’re going to be cut off before they can, we’ll never know they’re morons until after they’ve been elected.

An informed electorate is a strong electorate, right?

I guess both parties want us to be weak.

Then there’s the part of me that is worried that the worst will happen. Huge damage can be done to the process by both of these candidates performing poorly. Sure, we’ll be watching and laughing at the stupidity we’re witnessing, but really, that’s not why we should be enjoying ourselves or even tuning in.

Imagine, if Obama had picked Hillary. Oh, that would have made me feel much better about tonight.

If things go as badly as they could, Palin would lose a lot of people, but Biden could lose more. We know Biden is a smart guy and by his advanced age, it’s easy to assume he should know better than to gang up on this little girl from Alaska (let’s be honest, that’s exactly what she is).

Remember, I’m an independent. I’d prefer neither McCain nor Obama win. But there’s no practical expectation I can have to see a third party candidate even appear in the debates, let alone end up winning the White House, so for people like me, this all becomes a question of who to vote against.

Yay, democracy.

By the way, the reason we’ll never see a third party candidate in the debates is because the debates are controlled by the two major parties.

Yay, democ–oh, I said that already…

@sidehike Sorry, I think I mis…

by ThePete 1:30 am 2008-08-29

@sidehike Sorry, I think I misread your double negative. My ex-step-mom teaches Latin so picked up a few tricks from her, but I’m no expert.

@sidehike Wow, well, maybe if …

by ThePete 1:22 am 2008-08-29

@sidehike Wow, well, maybe if you had taken 3 years you’d have gotten to the weird stuff! ;) I did say I wasn’t normal. Also: sarcastic.

#DNC08 Some dipthong on C-SPAN…

by ThePete 11:50 pm 2008-08-28

#DNC08 Some dipthong on C-SPAN just called Obama a “Black Socialist”. Is that even possible? A black Nazi? Whaaaaa?

#DNC08 Hey! Just saw one of my…

by ThePete 11:43 pm 2008-08-28

#DNC08 Hey! Just saw one of my Twitters show up on the C-SPAN website. At least I know this hashtag thing works! :)

#DNC08 YAY C-SPAN has tech-cut…

by ThePete 11:39 pm 2008-08-28

#DNC08 YAY C-SPAN has tech-cutie Leslie Bradshaw back quoting from the Internet! Now, if she’d only quote ME. :(

@kevinthompson That’s what I d…

by ThePete 11:31 pm 2008-08-28

@kevinthompson That’s what I didn’t get about live streaming anyway. Seems like only a huge advertising budget can take adequate advantage.

@sidehike sorry I missed your …

by ThePete 11:26 pm 2008-08-28

@sidehike sorry I missed your reply. That’s how it’s translated, normally. But I’m not normal. ;) But seriously, Latin is funky that way.

#DNC08 It’s kind of a shame th…

by ThePete 11:19 pm 2008-08-28

#DNC08 It’s kind of a shame that people cheer like mad at BHO’s line: “Patriotism has no party.” I mean, shouldn’t that be obvious?

#DNC08 Now, if the Secret Serv…

by ThePete 11:15 pm 2008-08-28

#DNC08 Now, if the Secret Service can just keep Obama ALIVE. I have faith in humanity, but not in ALL humanity. A few of us are crazy! :P

#DNC08 I’m SO kidding. I just …

by ThePete 11:10 pm 2008-08-28

#DNC08 I’m SO kidding. I just don’t pray. Positive thoughts and belief in humanity are what do it for me. I kid God, but I love him! er Him.

#DNC08 Ooo, I’m an Atheist, s…

by ThePete 11:08 pm 2008-08-28

#DNC08 Ooo, I’m an Atheist, so I’ll end this prayer my way: “God, F-off!” ;P

#DNC08 God clearly doesn’t ble…

by ThePete 11:08 pm 2008-08-28

#DNC08 God clearly doesn’t bless America. Look what’s happened to it the last 8 years! < rim-shot >

#DNC08 Are they going to annou…

by ThePete 11:05 pm 2008-08-28

#DNC08 Are they going to announce when “OBAMA HAS LEFT THE BUILDING”?

#DNC08 Meh, the fireworks at t…

by ThePete 11:04 pm 2008-08-28

#DNC08 Meh, the fireworks at the Olympics were better. :\

#DNC08 Been listening to R&B a…

by ThePete 11:03 pm 2008-08-28

#DNC08 Been listening to R&B almost all day and now we get the rejected score from the last Tom Clancy movie.

#DNC08 All right, WHAT’S going…

by ThePete 11:02 pm 2008-08-28

#DNC08 All right, WHAT’S going on with the music here???

#DNC08 This was NOT the music …

by ThePete 10:58 pm 2008-08-28

#DNC08 This was NOT the music I expected them to be playing after Obama’s acceptance speech. Could they not find an R&B cover, at least?

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