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A Mormon’s Take on a Mormon TV Star’s Power

stfuglennbeck:

Let’s Be Real…: God, the Gospel, and Glenn Beck

Here is the link to the article to read for yourself, and read some of the feed back.

www.russellmoore.com/2010/08/29/god-the-gospel-and-glenn-beck/

I want to hear what you guys think about this article!

I don’t necessarily agree with all of this but I thought it was an interesting read.

By Russell D. Moore

A Mormon television star stands in front of the Lincoln…

When I saw the headline, I assumed this would be a repudiation of this new brand of TV-safe Christianity from someone who was on the inside of “real” Christianity.

However, reading that post was like reading a foreign language. I literally got so lost with some of it that, in the end, all I could be sure about was that he doesn’t approve of he-who-shall-not-be-named’s definition of a “return to God.”  Honestly, it was like reading gibberish.  An example:

There is a liberation theology of the Left, and there is also a liberation theology of the Right, and both are at heart mammon worship. The liberation theology of the Left often wants a Barabbas, to fight off the oppressors as though our ultimate problem were the reign of Rome and not the reign of death. The liberation theology of the Right wants a golden calf, to represent religion and to remind us of all the economic security we had in Egypt. Both want a Caesar or a Pharaoh, not a Messiah.

Whaaaaaa?

Liberation theology? Mammon worship??  Barabbas fighting off oppressors??  I may be an atheist, but I grew up in this “Christian” nation and I don’t remember Barabbas, action star, I remember Barabbas as a bit player who happened to be in custody at the same time as Jesus (hence the whole “Give us Barabbas” thing).  And I thought the whole idea of Christianity was to love God—is that supposed to be “liberation?”  I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a “liberation theology” before.

More from the Mormon post:

Leaders will always be tempted to bypass the problem behind the problems: captivity to sin, bondage to the accusations of the demonic powers, the sentence of death. That’s why so many of our Christian superstars smile at crowds of thousands, reassuring them that they don’t like to talk about sin.

Huuuh?  So, it’s OK for Beck to “know his market” but it’s not OK for these “Christian superstars” to not drop the guilt on followers?  Is Beck’s responsibility to his view any less real than the responsibility of one of these “superstars?”

I know this guy’s blog is there to, quite literally, preach to the choir, but he *might* want to be a bit more inclusive to any new-to/unfamiliar-with-Mormon-Christianity readers that might stumble by (like me).  I almost stopped reading the thing twice because it was like reading a comic book where they don’t explain anywhere what the hero’s superpowers are.

There this thing called a “hyper-link” (or “link” for short) that a blogger can use to reference material elsewhere on the “Internet” so one doesn’t have to upset the flow of the writing with overt explanations for the unintiated.  Perhaps something like linking to Christian definitions of what the hell he’s talking about would have been a nice thing to include.

Ah well.

On a side note, I’m really quite surprised with this Mormon’s attitude about Der Becken’s “business savvy”:

He’s an entrepreneur, he’s brilliant, and, hats off to him, he knows his market.

Really, so you think it’s “brilliant” to exploit the stupidity of your audience and lie to them about history?

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised by this sentiment coming from the Dean of the School of Theology theological seminary.  Damned Christians spreading falsehoods is part of their job (they really need to face the lack of hard evidence for the existence of God or Jesus).  So, that said, it’s not surprising that he’d take the very attitude that I think he’s critical of other “superstars” taking.  The whole “I’m going to only talk about what you want to hear.”

Which is part of the big problem.  No one wants to face reality, but we all want to be paid attention to.  So, we say what we think you’ll want to hear so you’ll keep listening. 

For instance: “Yay for his business sense!”

Instead of: “This guy is feeding you crap and telling you it’s chocolate.”

All right, so my moratorium on mentioning Glenn Beck’s name didn’t last long :(

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Creationwiki.org’s definition of "Atheism" is full of shit

OK, so I phrased the headline in that way to be inflammatory, but it *is* what I think.  Earlier tonight I stumbled across the below search result on Google:

Yeeeee-NO.

Atheism is defined by Webster.com as:

a : a disbelief in the existence of deity

b : the doctrine that there is no deity

It’s NOT a “philosophical denial of the existence of God.”  It’s the rational requirement that we see proof of a deity before we believe in one.
It’s so nice when Christians spread lies about us.  Is there an atheist wiki that spreads lies about them?
Hm…

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Christians Calling the Kettle Black (the Muslims are Infiltrating?)

Check out the following post from itsjustsummer quoting Pat Robertson and then think of it from an atheist’s perspective:

Pat Robertson: Fueling The Mosque Arson

In an obvious attempt to stir up fear in the Murfreesboro community, Pat Robertson told his audience:

“It isn’t just religion, just isn’t. Mark my words.  If they start bringing thousands of Muslims into that relatively rural area, the next thing you know, they’re going to be taking over the City Council.   Then they’re

going to be having an ordinance that calls for public prayer 5 times a day.  Then they’re going to be having ordinances that there’ll have to be facilities for foot-washing in all the public restrooms, in all the airport facilities, etc, etc.  And, before long they’re going to demand, demand, demand, demand, and, little by little, the citizens of Murfreesboro, or whatever little town it is, are going to be cowed by these people.  Not to mention their ability to bribe folks.  I don’t know whether anybody is getting a pay-off, but it’s entirely possible.”

All this crap makes me want to hug an American Muslim and tell them I’m sorry.  I may not believe in god or religion, but I do believe in the rights for humans to have their own opinion and vision of life.  If that so happens to be you’re Muslim then so be it.  The Pat Robertsons of this nation need to back off and leave these people alone.  Just because a small group contained in a larger group is out to harm the western world, does not mean they speak for that group.  Like wise with Mr. Robertson.  Would he like his religious group defined by Timothy McVeigh?  Thinking not!

Summer makes some great points here—I want to hug “the enemies of America” too.  But what cracks me up is how the media (and pretty much anyone else) fails to call these Christians out for the hypocrites they are—Muslims are going to infiltrate our government and mandate religious practices—ORLY, Pat Robertson?

So, that’s nothing like putting the Ten Commandments in a courthouse or, say, prayer in schools, or (worst of all) teaching creationism in schools?  I believe quite a few of you Christian-types have called for that on more than a few occasions.  OH and don’t forget the mention of God in that pledge we MAKE our kids say in school (as though they’re gonna turn Commie if they don’t) and of course IT’S ON OUR MONEY. 

>_<

Yep, CHRISTIAN infiltration—Christians forcing their beliefs on everyone is FINE, but god (lower case “g”) forbid a mosque get built someplace. THAT’S just the tip of the religiously infiltrating iceberg!!

OH, NO! CHRISTMAS IS UNDER ATTACK BECAUSE OF PEOPLE SAYING HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!

You stupid fricken drama queens.  Freedom of religion is fine so long as it’s YOUR RELIGION.  I’m so sick of being forced to be nice to militant Christians.  I’m done respecting beliefs—I respect your right to believe what you want, but WHAT you believe? Yeah, that’s stupid.  Muslims are NOT trying to conquer America anymore than the Mexicans were when you Christian Extremists were last afraid of something for nothing.  You can believe you’re under attack, but I’m not playing along. 

HEY, CHRISTIANS: HAPPY HOLIDAYS.

(PSST! Jesus never existed!)

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Well, at least he&#8217;s sorry he&#8217;s a Christian. ;P  (This is a good spoken-word video to watch for anyone.)Found via eddaily who liked my Sugru tests post on my hacks blog:adrifting:Chris Tse, I’m Sorry I’m A Christian (via damonator)And after all that honesty, he&#8217;s still a Christian!!&gt;_&lt;My personal confusion aside, I particularly liked the part about how people should be in the back of the abortion clinic giving out hugs.  To me, that made the video worth watching.But I still think it&#8217;s a mistake to pretend only good things can come to you if you&#8217;re religious.  Love is not exclusive to God.  You can give out hugs (or not) independent of organized religion or of a god. So, why all the stress?  Why not just be a good person in the church of you?  I know that sounds corny, but why not?

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friendlyatheist:

daytheist:

(via ziltoidia)

Daytheist: I love this.

Classic

I dunno—I heard from a Muslim friend of mine that this isn’t the case at all.  What I was told is that the first two “movies” are important and need to be respected. Jesus is as important as Mohamed, as is Moses, as they are all viewed as prophets of God’s word. 

Sure, there is no God and all that blahblahblah, but this seems to suggest there are moderate Muslims who look down on the other two faiths.  It’s my impression that they don’t.

Let’s go for the truth here, guys—not more horseshit.  If we get our facts wrong they think they win and all that matters is what they think, since we can’t prove their god doesn’t exist anymore than we can prove any negative.  Stick to stuff that works, the stuff that we “believe” in—the facts.  Don’t quote something you saw on a forum.  That’s as much a good idea as trusting your fate to an invisible, omnipotent being who thinks it’s OK for his followers to diddle little boys.

Just sayin…

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I learned a new word today: "arsenokoitai" (Looks a little Japanese, but isn’t.)

Thanks to this post on btx91’s Tumblr, I learned a new word today.  That word is “arsenokoitai.”

What does “arsenokoitai” mean? Well, it seems that “arsenokoitai” is the word that comes closest to referring directly to homosexuals.

Yyyyyyeah.

So, for all those anti-gay Christians who think the Bible hates gays, there’s only one point where they are directly referenced as such.  What’s worse is that the word didn’t exist before Paul wrote it in the Bible.

In other words, we can’t be sure that “homosexual” is what Paul meant by the word “arsenokoitai.” 

SIGH.

According to ReligiousTolerance.org, the italicized part of the excerpt below is the part that, in 1611 was translated into English for the King James Version of the Bible:

“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

So, naturally, they were talking about fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, the effeminate, who ELSE could be left out of this list that also includes thieves, the covetous, drunkards, and extortioners?  GAYS of COURSE.  >_<

And hell, when it comes to oppressing, hating and killing people, you don’t need to make sure or anything!

Idiots.

Side note: “arsenokoitai” kind of looks like something in Japanese.  Though, it would have to be spelled “”arusenokoitai” to fit the confines of the Japanese language.  “aru” means “to have.” “Se” has a LOT of meanings—too many to list. “No” is a marker—it turns the word before it into an adjective for what follows. While I couldn’t find a definition for the word “koitai,” I do know that the word “kotai” refers to an individual. I’m nowhere near fluent in Japanese, so I can’t come to any conclusions, but I thought it was interesting how much I could do with it in Japanese by dissecting it.

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Is it wrong to bag on believers? Crap on Christians? Malign Muslims? Be Jerky to Jews?

contrararian:

Justice = Love: I’m really sick of fellow agnostics/atheists hating on others because of their religious beliefs.

Justice=Love:

Did you read the title of the post, where I said FELLOWatheists/agnostics? I’m an atheist, and I’ve had a few conversations with other non-believers that have been very anti-religion, and not in a just questioning way. When someone proclaims “I hate Christians,” I take issue with that. Questioning religion is something I do on the daily here, but I’m really not okay with hate being spread against religious people just because some people disagree with religion.

I cannot recall having come across anyone who says they “hate christians”. 

I totally agree doing so is wrong. 

While I’m totally with you in the sentiment of your post, I rather suspect that much of the time religious people just aren’t used to having their beliefs questioned…

I used to agree with this sentiment whole-heartedly, but lately, I’m feeling like climbing on the fence about this.

Ultimately, I feel like we MUST respect each others’ right to think what we want.  However, when actions (or lack of actions) are based on said belief without fact to back them up, I believe those people deserve to be ridiculed and slammed for the irresponsible, irrational people they really are—especially when it means the oppression and/or killing of people or a group of people or the suppression of facts and evidence.

How can we not ridicule stupidity when its effects are felt by so many?  Whether it’s George “The Idiot” W. Bush marching us into two pointless, destructive, costly wars, or Tony “I Love Holes” Hayward for thinking trash shoved in that gusher in the Gulf will stop the oil.  Then there’s Rush Limbaugh who recently said that only an atheist could believe in Climate Change.  Basically, he seems to argue that Global Warming (though he calls it “Manmade Global Warming”) and Climate Change are nothing we need to do anything about because it’s God’s planet—we just adapt to the changes and move on.  Forget the coming famines and droughts and crop-shortages and deaths. Because, I guess, it’s all God’s plan.

Sorry, there is no God. There is no “plan”.  It’s just a bunch of cosmic mishaps that happen to look like a plan.  Pretending there is a plan and a God is ignoring your own responsibility to change things. 

Is Global Warming and Climate Change real?

In the end, I don’t give a crap because I know that if we lived our lives more efficiently, more respectfully, and more rationally, we wouldn’t be facing these problems.

So whether the sea levels are going to rise or not, whether it’s all our fault or not, whether God exists or not, really makes no difference to me because I know we can make a better world not because the situation is dire, or because God will hate us, but because these new directions we need to go in just make sense.

  • Cut back on our use of oil and cut down international strife.
  • Switch to local farming, away from corporate farming, you improve the quality of your food, your own health, and help your local economy, too.
  • Develop and implement efficient alternative energy systems and clean the air we breathe and the water we drink AND pay less for the energy we need to do what we need to do every day.

Oh and guess what, all of those things will cut back on the things the ecofascists are saying cause Global Warming/Climate Change.  Sure, the financial fascists won’t be happy because they’ll have to start earning their living again, instead of just farming out jobs to poor countries and staying rich off the backs of century-old ideas, but hey, dinosaurs go extinct.

And like Rush says, “We have to adapt to it.”

So funny that he uses the right arguments to get to the completely wrong conclusions.

If I weren’t white, I’d say we really need to stop listening to white people.  But hey, one thing we can stop doing?

…listening to stupid people—regardless of what they believe, their actions tell us all we need to know.

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Fiction meets fiction: "Fred Phelps’ Westboro Baptist Church Headed to Comic-Con"

ComicsAlliance.com recently posted about Fred Phelps and his Christian extremist followers at the Westboro Baptist Church heading to San Diego Comic Con.  This cracks me up to no end. Back in the 90s I used to go to Comic Con regularly, as I am a reformed comic book fanboy, myself.  To me, I see this as just an inflated version of the “Who is better? Superman Vs. Batman?” argument.  Think about it—Jesus is a superhero or a god, like Thor.  He came to Earth, changed some lives, got into a battle of sorts, died and came back—much like when Superman was killed by Doomsday. Hell, Batman almost died at the hands of Bane and he came back, too—then there’s Spidey who would have died had Kraven not wanted him to live with the knowledge that he would be dead at Kravens hand.

But it gets better—here’s an excerpt the ComicsAlliance.com includes in their post that comes from Phelps’ website:

Are you kidding?! If these people would spend even some of the energy that they spend on these comic books, reading the Bible, well no high hopes here. They have turned comic book characters into idols, and worship them they do! Isaiah 2:8 Their land also is full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have made: 9 And the mean man boweth down, and the great man humbleth himself: therefore forgive them not. It is time to put away the silly vanities and turn to God like you mean it. The destruction of this nation is imminent – so start calling on Batman and Superman now, see if they can pull you from the mess that you have created with all your silly idolatry.

Pretty awesome, huh?  Let’s take that apart:

Are you kidding?!

They do call them “comics” ya know. ;)

If these people would spend even some of the energy that they spend on these comic books, reading the Bible, well no high hopes here.

Uh, I think you forgot to complete that thought. I get what you mean, but you’re not going to get many points with any English majors, English teachers or anyone who understands grammar.  Just sayin’.

So your point was that if these folks would spend more time on the Bible and then less on comic-worship, things would be, I assume, better.  But how better?  How much is enough Bible time?  How much is too much comic time?

They have turned comic book characters into idols, and worship them they do!

Yeah, and comic book characters have NO similarity to characters in the Bible, do they?

>_<

Dude—have you ever considered that super-heroes are homages to figures from the Bible?  In fact, in many ways comic books do what the Bible does in helping readers understand morals and how to do the right thing in life.  Most comic books and the Bible are, technically, on the same side—so it makes no sense for you to get mad because people idolize Superman—Superman is just Moses, dumbass!  Exiled from his homeland, in search of a new homeland, possesses powers and knowledge that can help all of humanity—he’s providing a positive example for people to follow.

HELL-OOOO!???

Isaiah 2:8 Their land also is full of idols;

Who are you referring to??  Are comic book geeks actually mentioned in the Bible? That’s amazing!! How would God know about them 2000 years ago??  OMG! Maybe there IS an All-Knowing God after all!!

;P

they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have made:

Ewww… I hope they wash after.

But seriously, is this an “anti-pride” thing? We can’t be proud of our work? Oh that’s right—it’s because it’s not “our” work—it’s God’s work because He’s working through us, right?  Huh, well, how come drawing is so hard for me? It takes me hours to draw a handful of comic strip panels, while a buddy of mine is a professional comic book artist and can pencil an entire comic book page in the same amount of time.  Is it because God is working through him? Or is it because he went to college for illustration and has spent the last two decades drawing?

 9 And the mean man boweth down, and the great man humbleth himself:

Nani?

What does that even mean?  Who’s the mean man? Todd McFarlane? (I never liked his take on Spider-Man!)  The great man must be Stan Lee (although he’s known more popularly as “Stan ‘The Man’ Lee,” not Stan ‘the great man’ Lee”—you’d think God would know that).

therefore forgive them not.

What the—!?

I thought the Christian god forgave sins!!

RIP-OFF!!

But seriously—Phelps is saying that if you are really into comics you’re going to hell.

I wonder if anime counts. If so, I’m in trouble!!

OH WAIT, there’s no hell—forgot for a sec!  WHEW!

It is time to put away the silly vanities and turn to God like you mean it.

You know, I was almost with you until the “turn to God” part.  Talk about hypocrisy—you tell fanboys to put away the silly vanities like you’re not vain in thinking that the (non-existent) creator of the universe actually gives two craps about you.

If that’s not vanity, I don’t know what is.

The destruction of this nation is imminent – so start calling on Batman and Superman now, see if they can pull you from the mess that you have created with all your silly idolatry.

HA!  I can guarantee that the lessons Batman and Superman teach are going to be a lot more valuable and practical than the lessons God and Jesus teach us.

Of course, you’re right in comparing Batman and Superman to God and Jesus, since all four are fictional characters.  Also, there is the same amount of hard evidence for the existence of Batman, Superman, God and Jesus. 

There are hundreds of thousands of “followers” of Superman around the world. That doesn’t make Superman a real person any more than millions of people “following” Jesus means the Big J really walked the Earth.

I hope when Phelps and his cronies show up at Comic Con someone shoots some video of it—I want to see the hot cosplayer-on-cosplayer action, when people pretending to be something they are not go head-to-head with people believing in someone that doesn’t exist.  It’s gonna be better than Godzilla Vs. Mechagodzilla!

OK, maybe not.

Thanks be to Adam of boredwithporn.tumblr.com for the heads up on this story. 


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friendlyatheist:

LOL god: Santa gives more to rich kids than poor kids.

Substitute Santa with god and the argument still holds.

FA’s got a good point there.  And hey, God is just Santa for adults.

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A rant from a fellow atheist that makes a pretty perfect argument for why atheism makes so much sense and why evangelistic Christians should put up or shut up.Take your god and shove him (via patcondell)Thanks to @JoyofZen for pointing this great pro-atheism video out on Twitter&#8230;

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