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VP Debate 2008 Post-Mortem #vpdebate


by ThePete 2:19 am 2008-10-03
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OK, so there went the first and only vice presidential debate.

I’ve taken some time to try to mull things over and attempt to absorb things for a couple hours before really deciding on what to blog.

I definitely feel like Biden won the debate but only on points. Just like Obama did at the first presidential debate. Joe didn’t trounce her and Palin sure as hell didn’t pummel him.

Biden was as confident and casual as I’d expect a white man in a suit of his age and experience to be. As I mentioned earlier today, I was concerned he would put his foot in his mouth. Luckily, he did fine–better than expected even.

Likewise, Palin did better than expected, too. The frustrating thing is that she didn’t do that well–on numerous occasions she failed entirely to answer the moderator’s questions and often times twisted her “answer” around so that she could talk about something completely unrelated. I think a “storm of words” was how reporter Charlie Gibson described the tactic Palin used tonight during his interview with her. Also, and I’m admitting a personal bias here, she had this smile that came across as infinitely condescending.

And she smiled a lot–all debate long.

Why do I not like that she didn’t do well? Simple, because she still did way better than she’s done in the two lousy interviews she’s given in the last month. She basically tanked both of them so everyone was expecting her to bomb this one like Dresden, but she didn’t. So, now everyone will be claiming she’s the come-back kid on the news. Even the Dems will acquiesce and admit she did better than expected.

Ultimately, I doubt anyone will accurately gauge how poorly she did because she performed so much better than anyone thought. It’s another disturbing example of “sucking less” equating to being a good thing. Our culture is so very backward these days.

So, yeah, I think Biden did better and probably “won” on a technical level, but I’m an anti-McCain guy, so naturally, I’m going to probably be biased against Palin regardless of how un-mind-numbingly stupid she was.

One person I’m also biased against was the moderator. PBS’ Gwen Ifill actually had some respect from me before tonight and, to be sure, she still does. However, she lost some tonight. I found her questions to be a bit soft and really not that important.

She didn’t hold either candidate to the questions in almost all instances where either dodged said questions (yes, Biden did this a couple of times, though not as often as Palin). Sure, she was, in some ways, and improvement over her fellow PBS-er Jim Lehrer who, himself, was like a grampa trying to get his grand kids to play nice. However, Ifill felt like a baby sitter in the next room. I felt like her questions were almost as vague and non-specific as Palin’s answers were.

OK, that’s an exaggeration, but you get my point. I think there was one question where she actually called them both on an issue they had previously flipped flopped on. That was nice.

In conclusion? It’s not quite as big a “meh” as the first presidential debate, but it’s nothing to cheer for either. The debate format was incredibly breezy–it flew by so quickly, though I’m concerned that maybe it shouldn’t have–we want to better know these candidates, right? Shuffling them from topic-to-topic might not be the best way to allow us to do that.

It was kind of a relief to see them both not totally screw the pooch. I hate to feel like any candidate is completely incompetent. I’d like to be proud of all of our leaders.

Of course, these days, that bar is set pretty low, as well.

What are ya gonna do? Move to another country?

Don’t tempt me…

Oh, I’ll do it!

Special thanks to the folks at C-SPAN for doing a bang-up job!! Check out C-SPAN’s bitchingly unbiased coverage of the debates at debatehub.c-span.org or on Twitter at twitter.com/cspan

For other unbiased sources of debate coverage, check out factcheck.org/ and the political blogs over at NPR.org here: npr.org/blogs/politics/

If you found this post through a search or some other link, you can follow me at Twitter here: twitter.com/thepete and a few other socnets under the name “thepete”. Always look for the baby head. If you don’t see it try “thepetecom”.

Thanks for reading!!

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C-SPAN Announces Debate Hub!


by ThePete 11:29 am 2008-09-19
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utterli-imageLast night I posted about the debate schedule and this morning I woke to the news that C-SPAN will be giving the Hub-treatment to the 2008 presidential debates!

For anyone who missed the DNC and RNC Hubs on C-SPAN.org, they were a clearing house for news and coverage of the conventions that was blog and microblog based. On the hubs you could find blogs covering various angles of the cons and you could walk people liveblogging the speeches through a Twitter stream filtered to only show posts with the #RNC08 or #DNC08 hashtags. What’s even better is that both hubs are still up and will continue to be as an archive of the coverage of both political conventions. Pretty cool, huh?

So, C-SPAN doing the same thing for the debates is great news for a couple of reasons.

1) More coverage from C-SPAN means more (mostly) unbiased coverage. Anytime we can avoid giving attention/money to the corporate news it’s a good thing. (I only say "mostly" unbiased because no one can be completely unbiased.)

2) C-SPAN’s Debate Hub means more coverage of the blogosphere covering the debates. This means our influence just might grow a bit.

Point 2 is especially true if we can stay on top of the facts. If we are able to blog or microblog (Twitter, Jaiku, etc) our fact-checks while the debates are still going I think that will really show off how much better we are at this stuff compared to the corporate news.

However, it has been nice to see a couple attempts at fact-checking on the part of the corp media. The AP, while not technically corporate but still very mainstream, reported on several things the Republicans got wrong during various RNC speeches. Also, just yesterday, TheWife saw a clip of Anderson Cooper 360 where they fact-checked both McCain and Palin’s recent public statements (transcript here).

Well done, for sure, but this needs to be done faster, more often and for both Repubs and Dems (sorry, kids, the Dems lie, too–just differently). The 2008 debates will be a great opportunity for us to show off what we’ve got.

Unless, of course, the media wants to ignore their urge to make money and just do what’s right, that’d be great, too. I’d love to just sit back and enjoy good coverage instead of feeling compelled to pick up the slack left by the mainstream corporate-minded media.

Yes, I know that C-SPAN actually is a corporation but that just proves it’s possible to do a MUCH better job covering this stuff than CNN and the broadcast networks do.
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Video: ThePete Mentioned on C-SPAN2 During #RNC08


by ThePete 9:43 am 2008-09-11
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Always nice to have a bit of free publicity! Here is a clip I was able to harvest from my DVR of Leslie Bradshaw talking about how viral coverage of news can work through socnets and blogs, see if you hear a name you recognize:

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Yay! Bill Bitner and I are now microfamous! :P Thanks to Leslie Bradshaw of NewMediaStrategies.net for mentioning us on the air like that. It’s always fun to see yourself pop up in the “real” media. :)

Specialer thanks to Bill Bitner for linking to the video in the first place. Anyone who thinks independent blogging doesn’t make difference doesn’t understand how this works. Now CNN and the NYT have reported on this video and hopefully the video will continue to make it around the blogosphere (we can only hope).

You can still check out C-SPAN’s Convention Hub sites for an archive of all the cool stuff that went on during the DNC and the RNC of 2008 here:

rnc08.c-span.org/
dnc08.c-span.org/

Continued thanks to C-SPAN for offering a real alternative to the corporate news.

Oh and check out my previous coverage of the Sarah Palin Church Video here:

thepete.com/palins-religious-views-scare-me
thepete.com/thepetecom-mentioned-on-c-spans-hub-rnc08
thepete.com/problems-with-and-for-palin-rnc08
thepete.com/cnncom-finally-catches-up-on-palin-church-video

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YAY, C-SPAN’s Leslie Bradshaw …


by ThePete 11:35 pm 2008-08-27
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YAY, C-SPAN’s Leslie Bradshaw (cute beglassesed blonde) is back to quote stuff from the Internet “blogs” and something called “Twitter”.

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