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USG Says Bailout is Working, but Forgets to Mention Why We Should Trust Them

by ThePete 12:04 am 2008-11-19

The screencap in this post comes from an article dated today, entitled "Regulators: Bailout is working" and is just more evidence, to me, of how stupid our government thinks we are.  It's also nice evidence of how the media either thinks we're morons or are morons themselves.

Seriously, how much more crap from our government are we going to buy?  Like anyone in a position of leadership saying anything means anything to me since they've all been so wrong over the last 8 years.

The Obama folks coming in better restore some fricken respect to their positions because the spineless way the Dems have allowed the Republicans to get away with all this stuff has not won them any points from me.

I remember back during the Clinton years how the Repubs said Clinton "besmirched" the office of the President for cheating on his wife and then lying about it.  Yeah, well, Bush did a helluva lot worse than besmirch it and what happened to him?

Nothing.

Well done, Democrat kids!  Enjoy trying to regain my trust.

Oh and talking mean to Paulsen, Bernanke or even the car guys doesn't count.

Let the American automakers die and replace Paulsen with someone who has a fucking clue about money.  Take some action, losers.  DO SOMETHING.

As for Bernanke?  I think we're stuck with him for 12 more years, or so.  Good thing he's the people's banker–oh wait, we don't elect the Federal Reserve Chairman

I almost forgot.

The way our financial system is set up, it's a little like the fox not only guarding the hen house but managing it, supplying it and hiring the hens.

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The Dow Dives: Bailout in Action? Who Can Tell?

by ThePete 4:32 pm 2008-10-09
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Got the above screencap from here: http://is.gd/3MTw (a live graphic of the Dow at NYTimes.com).

Now, I can’t remember where I read this, but apparently that bailout bill that got passed won’t kick in until after the election. So, all those billions of dollars won’t go anywhere until it’s too late. Now we watch as the Dow, the NYSE’s main guidepost, nosedives to just above 8,000. So, no, this isn’t the bailout at work, it’s the bailout not existing for another month. Why should the market care about what will happen in a month’s time if businesses can’t function now?

It seems like no matter what the USG does it just can’t follow it’s own rules. First, the free market is supposed to be fine on its own. Then the bailout is supposed to help save the free market. And now… ?

OK, just checked the latest and now, at closing, it’s back up to 8711. That puts the Dow down nearly 6% from yesterday. Specifically, it’s down 547 points.

Can you say "weeee!"?

In case you’re wondering, the Dow does not represent the market as a whole. It’s just a chunk of it–the most important chunk. According to Wikipedia.org’s entry for the Dow Jones Industrial Average (here: http://en.wikipedia.org/…l_Average), the DJIA is an average value :

…of 30 of the largest and most widely held public companies in the United States.

In short, when it goes down, people panic. Ultimately, though, the Dow usually climbs the day after a spectacular drop. However, it’s kind of like how you feel so much better after you puke. It’s not that you legitimately feel good, it’s just that after your previous ordeal ANYthing feels better.

Then again, these days, everything’s screwy and hard to predict, so who knows?

I mean, hey, the USG said that we had to move quickly, so why is all of that bailout money sitting around doing nothing during all of this? What was all that rush and lack of public discussion for?

Oh and it looks like I had my numbers wrong above–just checked the numbers again and while it looked like the Dow had rebounded a bit, it just went ahead and dropped again, making it down to 8579–that’s a percentage drop of over 7% and a point drop of almost 680.

I guess that was the last drop of a really good rollercoaster ride–just when you were thinking "Oh, that was quite a ride! There’s the exit coming up–WAHHHH!!!"

It’s times like this when I ask just what the hell are our leaders up to?

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Clarification and Confusion on the Bailout

by ThePete 4:06 pm 2008-10-07

utterli-imageOver the weekend I had a good discussion with my step-dad about the bailout and decided I should revisit the topic despite the USG passing the bailout bill into law.

One thing I didn’t let fully play out in my mind was exactly how far a credit freeze would go. If the banks stopped lending every day American businesses would grind to a halt. My step-dad sells marble counter-top installation services and his job would stop cold–if people stop getting home loans, homes stop getting built and that means no kitchens are built in homes and that means no marble counter-tops would be sold.

And this is just one thread of the giant sweater that is the American economy.

The thing is, I’m OK with all American business stopping for a little bit. I think our system is royally screwed up if it so heavily relies on CONSTANT lending EVERY DAY. But what can you do? Come up with a better plan? Sure! But you can’t just walk up to Henry Paulson and say "Yo, this system, it sucks."

You need the support of millions in order to make a change that the system itself would never want. See, Paulson used to run one of the banks he’s going to be bailing out. Yeah, conflict of interest much?

Paulson wants his old pals to get bailed out and he likes the system the way it is. Everyone rich can stay that way and risk is passed onto the USG and, indirectly, the American people. This is the ultimate crime of the mega-corporations. They make themselves so "valuable" by being HUGE. But they are so huge they crumble under their own weight. So, they are bailed out by the system that allowed them to get so big in the first place.

So, something big has to happen that turns everyone against that system.

Make no mistake, if it weren’t for the USG and Wall Street’s breaking the rules of the free market, the free market would have failed.

The ONLY thing keeping our economy alive is this new money.

Doesn’t that scare anyone else?

Think about that: the only way to save the system is to break the rules of the system. Our leaders (who allowed this to happen in the first place) are just propping this mess up with a stick, hoping the stick won’t break.

The reality sure seems to be that if we don’t suffer now for this, we’ll suffer later.

Seems simple enough. But wait–if it’s that simple, why did the Federal Reserve pull $630 billion from other central banks to help with our crisis only to have the USG pass its $700 billion bailout package? (Read about the Fed’s move: http://thepete.com/…government )

Why would the bailout package be needed at this point? And why are some banks considering the possibility of not accepting money from the bailout at all? (Read more about that: http://www.guardian.co.uk/…et.bailout )

In America we are not adequately prepared as kids to deal with the absurd "complexities" of the economy. Every time I try to learn more about stocks, futures, derivatives, etc, my brain starts to hurt. My basic sense of logic is forced out of shape just to follow what these people are telling me.

It all seems like a big shell game and frankly, I think the market should be shut down. It’s all just a scam–a game of slight-of-hand where the magicians move money from the many to the few. It’s like Vegas times a million–or should I say 700 billion?

We need to get back to simple, honest business-doing. No more unregulated free market. Let’s mix in some socialism and water this crap back so we don’t get in over our heads.

So many times we in the "Blame America First" crowd (aka the "Lack of Blind Faith in the American System" crowd) are told that all we do is whine and that we have no solutions.

Well, I’ve mentioned mine. Shut down the stock market, introduce certain basic aspects of socialism that cover basic needs for people and serve as a parachute for certain huge businesses that get too big to support themselves. We have people dying because they can’t afford health care. Yet we’re letting criminals get away with it on Wall Street and we pay them to do it. I say we let everyone go to the doctor’s including the banks and the corporations that fail. We’ll look at them, fire who screwed up, get them back on their feet and moving.

They fail again? We break them up into their component parts.

No more corporate behemoths that bring down the entire economy when they fail.

Who ever thought up the current plan should be fired and forced to live with poor people for a while.

Of course, as long as we put up with this system, it’s We The People who are giving the government and the banks and the corporations a blank check.
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Obama and McCain Personally Persuaded House Reps

by ThePete 4:01 pm 2008-10-03
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This above is a screengrab of an article (here: http://www.ny1.com/…fault.aspx ) at NY1.com (a local NYC news source). It’s just general information about the bailout bill getting passed earlier today.

Why is it of any note? Have a look at those last couple sentences:

Black lawmakers said personal calls from Barack Obama earned their support of the bill.

John McCain also phoned reluctant lawmakers for their help.

So, John McCain called and pressured House reps to vote yes on the bill and Obama did the same. I *hate* to say anything about Obama but he called up black reps, essentially playing the race card to get lawmakers in the House to go his way. At least, that’s how this article presents it. It doesn’t say he spoke with all lawmakers, but just black ones. That is the race card, sorry.

Regardless, Obama is still the better man for the White House, period. If he is a little pro-black, can we honestly blame him? I don’t think so.

That said, I don’t think we should vote for anyone with our eyes closed.

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List of the Congresspeople Who Voted No on the Bailout Bill

by ThePete 2:20 pm 2008-10-03

OK, so thanks to Michael van Poppel over at BreakingToday.com (or on Twitter as BreakingNewsOn we have a list of every House rep who voted for and against the bailout bill. You can find the whole thing here: breakingtoday.com/34.html

I’ve also found a list of Senators who voted no on Wednesday from Politico.com. You can find that list here: www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/1008/Senators_who_voted_No.html

I’m going to post the nays below because the list is shorter, sadly.

These are not the people who chose fear over thoughtfulness. These are not the people who felt doing something was better than doing something right. These are the people who, for whatever reason, felt America needed more time to consider what to do.

Personally, I don’t think you should vote for anyone in November–except Obama so we can at least keep the mad, fear/war monger John McCain out of the White House. Granted, after hearing about Obama personally calling black representatives in the House and asking them to vote for the bailout, I don’t feel Senator Obama has got the best interests of America at heart. But then again, it’s not about voting for Barack Obama–it’s about voting for the closest thing we have to an alternative.

If only we could have an actual alternative.

All right, here’s the list of House Representatives and US Senators that voted against the bailout bill. Please use this list to vote your conscience or use it to not vote for anyone in Congress:


Aderholt
Akin
Altmire
Bachmann
Barrow
Bartlett (MD)
Barton (TX)
Becerra
Bilbray
Bilirakis
Bishop (UT)
Blackburn
Blumenauer
Boyda (KS)
Broun (GA)
Brown-Waite, Ginny
Burgess
Burton (IN)
Butterfield
Buyer
Capito
Carney
Carter
Castor
Cazayoux
Chabot
Chandler
Childers
Clay
Conyers
Costello
Courtney
Culberson
Davis (KY)
Davis, David
Davis, Lincoln
Deal (GA)
DeFazio
Delahunt
Diaz-Balart, L.
Diaz-Balart, M.
Doggett
Doolittle
Drake
Duncan
English (PA)
Feeney
Filner
Flake
Forbes
Fortenberry
Foxx
Franks (AZ)
Gallegly
Garrett (NJ)
Gillibrand
Gingrey
Gohmert
Goode
Goodlatte
Graves
Green, Gene
Grijalva
Hall (TX)
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Heller
Hensarling
Herseth Sandlin
Hill
Hinchey
Hodes
Holden
Hulshof
Hunter
Inslee
Issa
Jefferson
Johnson (GA)
Johnson (IL)
Johnson, Sam
Jones (NC)
Jordan
Kagen
Kaptur
Keller
King (IA)
Kingston
Kucinich
Lamborn
Lampson
Latham
LaTourette
Latta
Linder
Lipinski
LoBiondo
Lucas
Lynch
Mack
Manzullo
Marchant
Matheson
McCarthy (CA)
McCaul (TX)
McCotter
McDermott
McHenry
McIntyre
McMorris Rodgers
Mica
Michaud
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Moran (KS)
Murphy, Tim
Musgrave
Napolitano
Neugebauer
Nunes
Paul
Payne
Pearce
Pence
Peterson (MN)
Petri
Pitts
Platts
Poe
Price (GA)
Rehberg
Reichert
Renzi
Rodriguez
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Roskam
Rothman
Roybal-Allard
Royce
Salazar
Sali
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Scalise
Scott (VA)
Sensenbrenner
Serrano
Shea-Porter
Sherman
Shimkus
Shuler
Smith (NE)
Smith (NJ)
Stark
Stearns
Stupak
Taylor
Thompson (MS)
Tiahrt
Turner
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Visclosky
Walberg
Walz (MN)
Westmoreland
Whitfield (KY)
Wittman (VA)
Young (AK)
Young (FL)
Here are the senators who
voted no on Wednesday:

Allard (R)
Barasso (R)
Brownback (R)
Bunning (R)
Cantwell (D)
Cochran (R)
Crapo (R)
DeMint (R)
Dole (R)
Dorgan (D)
Enzi (R)
Feingold (D)
Inhofe (R)
Johnson (D)
Landrieu (D)
Nelson (FL) (D)
Roberts (R)
Sanders (I)
Sessions (R)
Shelby (R)
Stabenow (D)
Tester (D)
Vitter (R)
Wicker (R)
Wyden (D)

Of course, George Bush could veto this bill.

Yeah, like he’s done anything right since January 20, 2000.

UPDATE 16:30: Bush already signed the bill. This ALL despite the Federal Reserve already injecting $630 billion into our economy last Wednesday.

US Congress Doesn’t Care About American People

by ThePete 1:44 pm 2008-10-03


Watching the Bailout Bill Pass :( on 12seconds.tv

Well, I wish I could say it was unbelievable, but sadly, it’s completely believable.

So, the US Congress passes a bill that will borrow hundreds of billions from the Fed so the USG can buy up all the bad debt clogging the US banking system. Somehow, we’re supposed to make money off of this bad debt and pay the billion borrowed back. I’m not sure I follow this logic at all.

I’ll be looking for and posting a list of House reps who voted today and which way they voted. I thought I heard the guy on C-SPAN say that only Republicans voted against. If true, this means both my new rep (Rangel) and my old rep (Waxman) both let me down.

I’ll post that list as soon as I can find it so you can know who NOT to vote for in November.

Screw all those guys.

Contact your Representative in Washington

by ThePete 12:40 pm 2008-10-03

It’ll take five seconds to call and let them know what you’re thinking.

Go to House.gov in the upper left corner of the site, there is a field where you can enter your zip. Click the “Go” button and you’ll see the name of your House Rep. Click on that person’s name and you’ll be sent to their website. Then find the contact link, click on it, get their number in Washington DC (odds are they’re in DC to vote on the bailout bill) and then CALL IT.

Emails are fine, faxes are fine, too, but calling will make the difference. They need to here a voice and be inconvenienced by calls to really feel the pressure. Please do it, it takes literally seconds to say “Hi, I’d like to register my lack of support for the bailout bill.” When I called, they then asked me my name and zip and once I told them, they thanked me. That was it. PLEASE DO IT NOW. No bailout bill is a good bailout bill. We’re helping the rich when they won’t help the poor (us!). Watch the video if you need convincing.

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Senate Passes the Bailout Bill After All

by ThePete 6:00 am 2008-10-02

You knew they were going to do it.

If you read this blog you know I knew they were going to do it.

Forget that the Federal Reserve already sunk $630 billion into our economy. I was shocked when I saw a Twitter post from thePuck Tuesday that the Fed had decided to move on its own. Earlier in the day, I saw another socnetizen in my circle microblog something like “what difference does $70 billion make? Apparently a lot.”

He was referring to the $70 billion less the Fed was borrowing from other central banks.

While I was shocked, it wasn’t shocked because the Fed went ahead and did it. I was shocked because the Federal Reserve is usually pretty low key. They speak in riddles and hide in the shadows. Don’t believe me? Check out FederalReserveEducation.org and see how long it takes for your ADD to kick in. These guys do not want us to know what they’re up to, or else we already would.

So, the idea that these guys would make a move like this and draw all sorts of attention to them, is very surprising. Why should they not want to draw attention to themselves?

Simple, they’re the real power in our country. But I’m digressing. This post is about the USG passing a bailout bill anyway.

This is what baffles me. How can the media not cover this in any serious way? Did a single person on TV or in print ask the question of anyone in congress: “WHY do we need the bailout now??”

Yet, yesterday, a bailout bill passed the Senate.

The good news is that now the House needs to vote on it. Hopefully, they will say no.

The idea of bailing the water out of the sinking ship that is the American economy pisses me off.

A bailout is stealing money from our future pockets and putting it in the hands of the rich. Hell, it’s stealing from our pockets now, too. All that money ($630 + $700 billion= $1.33 TRILLION) will drive the value of the dollar straight down. Of course, if you’re disgustingly rich, you’ll hardly feel it.

That’s what this ultimately comes down to. The fucking rich and their rich pals in government.

This is no democracy. Its a corporatocracy. It’s the feudal system all over again.

We all work for corporations/feuds that kiss the ass of the king/George. The king/George keeps the military working for the good of the corporations/feuds keep the peasants (us) in line.

Man, it sounds so extreme, but with the shrinking middle class and the ever-present corporation, I feel like the metaphor fits.

UPDATE: My original post-title was “USG Passes Bailout After All” I realized that was inaccurate so I changed it.

The Federal Reserve Waits for No Government

by ThePete 6:57 pm 2008-09-30
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So, remember how there was all that funny hubbub regarding the US Congress trying to spend all this time working on a bailout bill for Wall Street? Remember how Bush, this morning, gave another bit of speechification (here: http://is.gd/3lH2 ) on how we really, really, really need to pass a bill to help Wall Street? Perhaps you remember that other time he talked about the economy where he said that if we didn’t do something the entire economy was in danger?

As Jon Stewart might say:

Funny story!

Turns out the Federal Reserve decided to go on and bail out Wall Street all on it’s own!

Yesterday, the Fed took it upon itself to borrow more money from other central banks around the world. Europe, the UK and Japan all took part in the fun, allowing the Fed to inject $630 billion into our economy, via loans to banks.

Now, the above screencap comes from Bloomberg.com (here: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news ) but neither CNN.com nor Money.CNN.com had any headlines about this. I did a quick search through Google News and it looks like the hardcore money sites are covering this, but I didn’t see any of the mainstream news sites with headlines about it.

So, this means, once again, America doesn’t know what the heck is going on with it’s own money.

Not only that, but the Bloomberg article I cite above doesn’t mention a damn thing about how $630 billion will impact inflation.

In fact, I haven’t stumbled across anything mainstream newsish that even talks about inflation in the context of today’s economy or the bailout or now, the Fed’s bailout.

So, what the heck happens now?

Damned if I know.

Can’t imagine why the tax-payers need to pay for anything now. But watch the media ignore the Fed deal and the Congress push through a bill just the same.

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IM Conversation = Sign of the (Economic) Times

by ThePete 9:18 pm 2008-09-29

Earlier this evening a buddy of mine started an IM conversation with me. Here’s approximately how it began:

Him: Shit.
Him: You there?
Me: Yeah, man, what’s up?
Him: My bank got taken over.
Me: HA-HA!
Me: Mine, too.
Him: lol
Me: Which one?
Him: Wachovia. You?
Me:WaMu
Him: ahhh, sucks.
Me: S’ok, I’m broke.
Him: me too. lol
Me: haha

I guess this is where the meek inherit the Earth?

Sign of the (economic) times…

Why I’m Against the Bailout

by ThePete 4:48 pm 2008-09-29
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Last week, my mom sent me an email that started with the sentence: "Would we be better or worse off if there was no bailout of these banks?"

I was going to just answer her question right there, but then I realized my answer would make for a great blog post. So, here you go, Mom! Sorry it took so long, but I got a little distracted with the news lately. :)

By the screencap above, you might think we’d be better off if the bailout went through. The Dow dropped more than 500 points by closing today in reaction to the bailout bill not passing the House.

If the bailout did go through, we’d see banking begin to return to normal–loans could be given again, loads of people would still have jobs, and both the USG and Wall Street would save tremendous face (after all, it was the two bodies in concert who is responsible for this mess).

Of course, those are just the good things that would happen. There would be bad things, too, that our leaders aren’t really going into.

Most importantly, in my mind, if the government really decides to spend $700 billion (about the price we’ve paid in Iraq so far), the negative impact could be pretty far reaching–especially on one part of our economy that no one likes to *really* talk about.

We have a problem in our culture–no one really likes to talk about the "i" word.

No, not impeachment.

Well, they don’t like to talk about that either, but Americans seem even more loathe to use the other "i" word, inflation.

I’m kind of a broken record when it comes to inflation. I explained my view of it in a recent blog post here: http://thepete.com/…ed-economy

Suffice it to say, when $700 billion gets injected into our economy, it will be a lot of new money floating around. When you increase the supply of money, the existing money drops in value (as dictated by the law of "Supply and Demand"). When the bailout goes through, it’ll send the dollar’s value plummeting.

That’s what can really make for a weak economy, BTW. A weak dollar.

So, in the end, sure, a bailout is going to keep our lives more or less like they are now. We’ll be able to borrow again and bankers will keep their jobs and life will be grand until the real meaning of "trickle-down economics" is learned–when the lost-value of the dollar trickles down from the rich (who will use the new money first) to the poor (who will only see the benefits of that new money once the value of their own money drops–it’s a little abstract, my apologies).

Another thing any bailout will fail to do is guarantee this won’t happen again. We are all familiar with the Great Depression and the stock market crash that preceded it. Was there a bailout then? I don’t know.

Regardless, we, as a country, survived the Great Depression and I’m sure America will survive this, whether we have the bailout or not.

So, why does it matter? It matters because the bailout lets people get away with breaking the rules. Hell, the bailout itself is breaking the rules of the free market.

I’m no free-marketeer, but the way I look at it, if you’re going to bother to make rules, you should bother to follow them. If you don’t want to bother to follow them, then change them and follow the new ones.

Breaking your own rules just makes you look unprofessional.

I’ll post more about rule breaking tomorrow…

…assuming I don’t get distracted by the news again. :\

Tomorrow’s post on the rules will also involve socialism vs. capitalism, conservatives vs. liberals, and probably even McCain vs. Obama, if I can get really creative.

So:

Bailout = good in the short term (status quo, status quoed)

Bailout = bad in the long term (inflates inflation, weakens our overall economy and our individual power to buy stuff, doesn’t prevent another economic explosion, also lets bad guys get away with it)

Well, Mom? I hope that answers your question.

Either way, we’re in for a world of hurt. Luckily, most of us are broke, so we won’t feel it as much as the rich folks panicking right now (though we may have trouble buying things that are about to get more expensive).

For all the folks on Utterli who got notified about this post, I hope you don’t mind! I hardly ever notify everyone I’ve friended about posts, so hopefully you’ll forgive me if you’re not interested in this post.

Also, I’d love to hear what anyone reading this thinks. I really want to learn more about our money and how it works. I’m really nervous that it’s really as simple and truly as messed up as it looks.

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Wall Street Protestors Footage Part 1

by ThePete 12:56 pm 2008-09-26

This is a 14 minute video made up of the most interesting stuff I streamed from my iPhone yesterday (20080925) at the big Wall Street Bailout protest. Remember, it came from my iPhone, so it kind looks like crap. Watch for a poorly shot moment (still learning how best to use the iPhone as a camcorder) where I met Arun Gupta, the man who wrote what Amy Goodman of Democracy Now called “the email that was heard ’round the world.” Apparently the protest sprung up with no organizing group–everyone who read Arun’s email just said “we’ll be there on Thursday!” and so Arun was there, too. I’m guessing his email was just that moving. He seemed like a real cool guy, too. Other highlights: The crazy guillotine man, the best profane protest chant evar, scooter cops, and MORE.

TheBlurb: "How can one talk about life without saying sometime it's going to end? It makes the value of life all the more precious."
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